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Thursday, July 24, 2008
 

Posted: 12/22/01

What's up with Iraq?
A conversation with Khidhir Hamza, the former head of Iraq's nuclear weapons program

By Douglas Pasternak and Stacey Schultz

Ever since United Nations weapons inspectors were pulled out of Iraq three years ago, U.S. officials have been concerned that Iraq has been reconstituting its programs of mass destruction. Those worries, combined with information that Iraq may have been training al Qaeda terrorists, are driving a handful of past and present U.S. officials in Washington to advocate that America attack Iraq next. And among the most vocal of Iraq's critics is a former Iraqi–Khidhir Hamza, the former head of Iraq's nuclear weapons program. Hamza, who defected to the United States in 1995, believes that Iraq has been hard at work trying to reconstruct its stalled nuclear bomb program. Even worse, he says, he is certain that Saddam Hussein has been rebuilding Iraq's chemical and biological programs–a task far easier than reconstituting the nuclear program. Hamza's views appear to square with a New York Times report in which an Iraqi engineer and defector said he helped to renovate secret sites for nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare work in Iraq as recently as a year ago.

Hamza attended graduate school in the United States in the 1960s and rose to the top of Iraq's nuclear program in 1987. The biological weapons program was not under his supervision, but he says that he knew the essentials of the program and that some of its equipment, like sprayers, was stored at his facilities. He told U.S. News that he deems it highly unlikely that Iraq would have given any nuclear materials or secrets to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network of terrorists. Those would be the crown jewels of Iraq's military, which would be obsessively guarded. He thinks it is possible, however, that Iraq would share some bioweaponry with terrorists. He does not rule out the possibility that Iraq could have developed the finely milled anthrax seen in recent U.S. mailings, and that an Iraqi agent could have slipped a vial or packet of the deadly material to an al Qaeda terrorist headed for the United States. "You could put some anthrax in a small, double-sealed bag," he said. "The quantities involved (in the U.S. mailings) are so small–only 10 grams or so, total." Before the Gulf War, and before the U.N. inspection regime that seized or destroyed Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological programs, Iraq had obtained anthrax cultures from American biological sample purveyors, claiming they were needed for medical research. Indeed, Hamza said, the head of Iraq's biological programs, Nassir Hindawi, was trained at Mississippi State University and would have leaned toward using germs that he was familiar with in the United States.

Hamza said that Iraq's biological warfare program would be very easy to reconstitute. United Nations inspectors were most focused on finding and destroying the computer-driven machine tools needed to build extraordinarily precise components for the atomic bomb program. But equipment for a biological program could be relatively crude–mainly fermenters, dryers, and strainers. "You don't need computer-driven tools for biological weapons. You don't need special buildings," he said. "You can have a fermenter [for anthrax] in the middle of the room and not even need protection, if you design it right." Unlike a nuclear weapons program, the tools needed to build a biological weapons program often have legitimate, dual-use, medical applications. As a result, it is often hard to know how a fermenter, for instance, may be used. Even if the U.N. inspectors disabled or destroyed all of Iraq's equipment being used for biological warfare, these devices could easily be produced again.

Hamza does not know whether Iraq ever obtained the Ames strain of anthrax used in the recent U.S. anthrax mailings. But if it did, Hamza says, there is no way an Iraqi scientist would have been able to hand over the material to the al Qaeda network or anyone else without official government approval. If the anthrax in the attacks originated in Iraq, says Hamza, the attacks would have been authorized by Saddam and his state security apparatus. Iraq's State Security Office was brutal and efficient, says Hamza. It ran security at all of the laboratories involved in Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. "You can't breathe without them knowing," says Hamza. "Every lab has people watching you." In order to ensure security at Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare labs, the Iraqi security organization ran its own vulnerability tests. In one instance, recalls Hamza, they sneaked explosives into a lab, then blamed the lab workers for letting that happen. "There was hell to pay," he says. "Some people were tortured."

In a wide-ranging interview, Hamza also discussed the following:

Dirty nukes. Iraq tested two radiological weapons in 1987 and 1988. Iraq was engulfed in a war with Iran at the time and wanted the option of using radiological weapons to stop an Iranian advance. The Iraqi radiological weapons tests were conducted at a chemical weapons test site west of Baghdad. The explosive devices contained between 0.5 and 1 kilogram of irradiated zirconium oxide. But the results were poor. The radioactive material did not spread far enough, and the degree of radiation from the device was too weak to cause immediate casualties. Iraq's radiological warfare program was subsequently terminated. "We wanted to stop Iran," recalled Hamza. "We wanted a nuclear yield."

Nuclear terror. Iraq spent more than a decade and billions of dollars on its own nuclear weapons program without, in the end, developing a nuclear bomb. Hamza does not believe a terrorist organization, even one as well funded as al Qaeda, would have the capability to develop a nuclear weapon. The most likely place for a terrorist to acquire radioactive material to construct a dirty bomb is in the United States, at commercial nuclear power plants or spent nuclear fuel sites, says Hamza. But he does not believe this is likely. To cause significant damage, a truckload of radioactive material would be needed, says Hamza, and even then the impact of a radioactive weapon is not certain. "A terrorist wants immediate effects," he says. "They are not interested in increased cancer [rates] 10 years away."

Big bomb. From August to November 1990, as the allies built up their forces for the Gulf War, Hamza was ordered into an intense effort to construct an atom bomb. By November his Atomic Energy Department had nearly completed a nuclear device. But, at about the size of a refrigerator, it was far too big to fit into a missile warhead-and it lacked the core of highly enriched uranium. Hamza and his colleagues had 31 kilograms of uranium from their Osiraq reactor that had been destroyed by Israeli bombers in 1981, from which they could distill 18 kilograms enriched enough to form the core. But they also knew that any such move would set off alarms at the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitored Iraq's use of uranium, and that Iraq would be stopped from developing any more enriched uranium. Thus, Iraq would be able to build only one oversize bomb. Informed of this, Hamza says, Saddam agreed to shift to concentrating on using chemical and biological weaponry to halt the allied forces of Desert Storm.

Iraqi fears. Shortly after the September 11 terrorist attacks, said Hamza, Saddam appointed 12 new military governors and established military councils in Iraq's provinces to prepare for a possible U.S. military attack. Hamza believes that such an attack on Iraq is warranted, because he thinks Iraq will only become more dangerous as it rebuilds its military forces and weaponry.

Iran's nukes. Hamza believes there is less to the current Iranian nuclear program than meets the eye. He notes that the Iranians have been buying equipment for an atomic weapons program. But he contends that Iran does not have enough nuclear scientists and engineers to form the basis of a serious nuclear program. Most of those experts have left the country and not returned, says Hamza. "If you put their purchases together, they are a nuclear bomb program," he says. "But they don't have the scale, and they can't replicate." A Dec. 3, 2001, article in the New Yorker magazine by Seymour Hersh ("The Iran Game") suggests that Iran is moving ahead with its nuclear program. Hersh wrote that the Russians, who have sold nuclear equipment to Iran for years, believed that Iran was incapable of developing a nuclear weapon even with this high-tech equipment because it lacked the necessary knowledge base. But Hersh quotes one intelligence official who said the Iranian nuclear program has made some recent strides and is moving ahead.


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