Magic in, Magic out, Some sorcerer sitting around with nothing to do finally snaps his fingers, and the earth and all living things are born? Where did that come from? Might have been the "Big Bang". Change is living, no matter when it started, or how. The earliest civilizations must have been surprised to see the sorcerer's works, they were already in the area for 5 or 6,000 years!! And that's just in a few square miles of the world at the time. I have read the "official" version of the creation many times, nice book, have read a lot of good books, fiction, and "based on a true story". The "sorcerer" was a early theme that got blown all out of proportion, over thousands of years of the unknown, the more the people know, or learn, the less their fears, and the less control the sorcerer has over humans. Change comes from learning, not blind faith.
lairdof TX2:36PM January 31, 2010
since the developement of the Hubble Telescope, we find that the Big Bang is going further and further back in time. (This time 13.2 Billion years) I wonder what will be the next back dated time when this Universe came into existence when the Infraed Successor starts to work. It's like trying to believe that there was a void, a very very big void and then suddenly, as if by magic, it got all these things in it and everything started to fall in place. No matter how far back we go, we are never going to find that wall to hit along the way. Blind faith would be better than trying to break our minds from understanding something so Giantically Diabolical that even the imaginations of all our imaginations would not be able to come a fraction to what is out there in the end.
The13thWatcher5:02AM January 11, 2010
What Big Bangers believe is that there was nothing to be found anywhere and then there was a bang that caused everything to be here. That is like saying after a couple of billion (more than 13.2) years. If you can wait that long something will be there that was never in existence before.
What? You have got to have the most faith of anyone I know. Who said atheists don't have faith? They are asked to trust in something that they don't understand how it came to be yet stand firm in that conviction.
Nothing intelligent in that right? Speculation and imagination on their part is supposed to be plausible. They have absolutely no idea how things came to be through the "Big Bang" yet esteem that as truth.
What freedom of speech to me means is that I can live and accept your willingness to believe what ever you want too. That is your choice. That is where your faith is. My faith in the statement "God created the heavens and the Earth" is mine. The only thing that does is draw a line that seperates the two faiths. What Big Bangers need to understand is that we are not the judge, though one day everyones faith will judged right or wrong.
Oh I forgot... you cannot have right or wrong with an atheist because that implies there is a Judge. Look at that... another seperation of the two faiths.
Jeffof WI8:41PM January 08, 2010
What Big Bangers believe is that there was nothing to be found anywhere and then there was a bang that caused everything to be here. That is like saying after a couple of billion (more than 13.2) years. If you can wait that long something will be there that was never in existence before.
What? You have got to have the most faith of anyone I know. Who said atheists don't have faith? They are asked to trust in something that they don't understand how it came to be yet stand firm in that conviction.
Nothing intelligent in that right? Speculation and imagination on their part is supposed to be plausible. They have absolutely no idea how things came to be through the "Big Bang" yet esteem that as truth.
What freedom of speech to me means is that I can live and accept your willingness to believe what ever you want too. That is your choice. That is where your faith is. My faith in the statement "God created the heavens and the Earth" is mine. The only thing that does is draw a line that seperates the two faiths. What Big Bangers need to understand is that we are not the judge, though one day everyones faith will judged right or wrong.
Oh I forgot... you cannot have right or wrong with an atheist because that implies there is a Judge. Look at that... another seperation of the two faiths.
Jeffof WI8:40PM January 08, 2010
Big Bang nonsense? Um, whether local or not, there was an explosion. What happened before that is more complicated than that by definition, but do not dismiss the bang part as nonsense. It happened. What it means is up to the one interpreting that information.
Dave2:08AM January 06, 2010
All this big bang nonsense could just be a local explosion in a much bigger, constant universe.
Has the universe only been around for 15 billion years? Some how I doubt it. The obsession with going back to the big bank most likely will result in disappointment when we finally find out what it was.
michael donelly12:53AM January 06, 2010
Tell me if I have in mind the right picture of the infinite VOID and of the Universe within the VOID. As I "see" it the VOID is/was deep and empty darkness in all directions. There is no center point to the empty darkness. Then many many kajillion earth years ago there was a monstrous burst of what? Of energy? -- a burst of whatever it is that started to turn into all the elements of the periodic table. So here we are about 13 billion years later trying to take a peek at the point at which the explosion began, and in the process of looking and probing for that point we see all manner of galaxies of stars that were there early on but by now may have burned themselves out.
Another thing about the infinite VOID, if I have the right picture in mind, is that there might be within the void remote areas where other universes have popped into existence, too, and are struggling to become fruitful with stars that are just right which have planets that are just right so that there, too, creatures maybe something like us can evolve in order to try to figure it all out.
Maybe this is an ongoing thing that's happening within the VOID. Maybe it's not at all uncommon. And maybe there's an intelligent Creator who is active and behind it all. Speculation can run rampant, can't it.
Dennisof WA10:18PM January 05, 2010
I remember when the first image was made in this 'dark hole' in the sky...the one part of the known universe that was at one time percieved to be an empty void untill someone took a peek inside. Up untill that time this 'dark hole' in the sky was thought to be empty void, but behold, what did they find? Thousands of more galaxies, all with their own 'thumbprint', no 2 alike. Has it ever occured that what we are seeing is just the left over parts of light that exist from sources that have long burned out...there may be a past we simply cannot see because these sources of light have long reached us and vanished..giving the real date of the theoretical 'big bang' a beginning that far exceeds our vision, red or otherwise? And given the location of this 'cluster' of thousands of galaxies, which I can only assume is literally spread across the entire scope of the 360 realm of what we can't see, where in general did this 'bang' occur?, everywhere? And if we only see what time has allowed us, given our frame of time on this planet,could there possibly be an expansion of like galaxies on the other side of what we see that has speed that exceeds the speed of light giving us a black look into the red (infrared) zone? This 'red' spectrum is dependent upon the heat signature of light..could the depths of cold eventually freeze or make this warm light signature from the past void of heat making all heat from these vast regions null?. Each day I watch the Hubble telescope and wait for new discoveries.
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