How Did Life on Earth Get Started?

Once again, obviously biased article

Note the phrase "Creationists think ... [vs] ... scientists think". It doesn't note that many, many of the scientists today believe in God. The word choice used by the author is trying to make somewhat subconscious statement, which is to say that those who believe in God as the author of life are opposite to science.

That's very sneaky, and this whole article is bunk. If "life" did happen in the lab, how do we really know it was spontaneous? What if God "did it again"? Religion answers the "why", science tries to answer the "what". Effect does not imply causation.

There are too many scientists trying to claim the non-existence or existence of God from a purely scientific point of view, which is impossible, because science measures the 5 senses. It measures what we can see/touch/taste/hear/smell. If there is a spiritual world out there, that's like a 1-D world creature trying to quantify a 2-D creature in 1-D terms and thought. I'm not sure why this article even needs to mention Creationism.

"Just stick with facts, ma'am." As it is, it seems almost like a half-science half-political/idealogical motivated college essay.

Charles of WA @ Mar 22, 2009 19:24:25 PM

hello nerds

wow all i wanted was one simple answer

Elle of MT @ Mar 22, 2009 18:19:02 PM

My vindication will come

Nan21, have you ever read II Tim. 3:16? It defends the very concept of interpretation by believers. For if the Bible, which tells us right from wrong must always be read speculatively, then how will any believer know what God is saying to him/her through the word? But "all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness."

Paul is giving his interpretation of the situation, but notice that the letter that contains this verse is considered God-breathed. Though God may not have directly told Paul to write this, the Spirit did move Paul to write it down anyway. Surely God wouldn't allow a personal opinion to be included without His own approval.

I believe that God lives in me through the Spirit, but I am not God for that would be blasphemy and a lie. I believe Jesus is God, but not a god. To say, "Jesus is a god" would indicate that there is more than one god besides Jesus which isn't true. Take a look at the words of the prophet Isaiah 42:8, 43:10-11, 44:6-8,45:18, and 45:21-23 and you will know that there is one God. Had there been multiple "Gods", why does the first commandment say, "You shall have no other gods before Me"?

I have not questioned the power of Christ, though you lie about Him. John the Baptist said that he was not Elijah, and who would know better but J.B. himself? John was a figure type who was like Elijah and that is why the prophets said Elijah must come first for J.B. was like Elijah but wasn't really Elijah reincarnate. Again, you fail to understand the uniqueness within each person. I am not you or God. I am myself. That is why I pointed out that I never questioned our connection as being human, only this idea that we are one and the same.

You accuse me of contradiction, but you do it yourself. You claim we are one, but that we have different souls. You claim that our differences are illusions, but that we have our own roles. What foolishness is this? The person who teaches instructs others and the one who prophesies gives out prophecies. But the teacher and the prophet are not the same. I have admitted we are united in Christ, but that doesn't mean I am my pastor and him Elijah.

If what I say to you does not come from God, but instead blemishes His name then let it come to naught. Let the words of Gamaliel (Acts 5:34-38) be true. Yet, if I do speak in a correct defense of the Lord, which I am well confident that I am, your own punishment will be as great as the friends of Job who mispoke about God and the false teachers and prophets who tried to lead the early church away!

As for my vindication, I base it on this verse: "What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?"-Romans 8:31

Dr. Shade of NC @ Mar 16, 2009 19:45:20 PM

The devil strikes again

Are you insulted? By what means? From your own writings you stated that even believers who do not write God's Scriptures can interpret them. Or else, what good is II Timothy 3:16? See? Just a human interpretation, so you shouldnt act as if your interpretation is universally correct. Because interpretation is different from truth. Theory is different from Principle and Law. If all Scriptures are God-Breathed then take a study of this “To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.  (1 Corinthians 7:12)” So Paul did not include those words as coming from God.

We are not a part of God? And you even doubted that the WORD was not a GOD? So Jesus is not a God to you? (Jesus was God and Jesus was a God are different)? Even the devil knew that he was a son of God. So if you have the so called intelligence, thus the puppy's father a cat or a dog? So what would you call the Son of God? Is not he's Father a God also? How many Gods now? If I have a kitty and a cat, how many cats now? There are 2 cats but only one adult cat and one kitty. There are Gods but only one God the Father and one God the son.

Regarding Lazarus, Have you heard the near death experiences of other people who was asked by Jesus if going back again to their life? Do you doubt that Jesus have the power to bring back souls to their body? John answers no. even the apostles didnt know that he is Elijah so they will also answer no, but I tell you that Jesus is greater than John so would you think Jesus will lie that he is Elijah? Matthew 3:11 (I am baptizing you with water as a token of repentance, but the one who is coming after me is stronger than I am, and I am not worthy to carry his sandals. It is he who will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.)

Have I doubt your humanity? I am insisting the spirit which came from God! I am doubting your spirit because you cannot even defend that your spirit was from God, so therefore from the devil. Yes we are One and the same but different Souls, Roles, & Graces. John 15:5 (I am the vine, you are the branches. The one who abides in me while I abide in him produces much fruit, because apart from me you can do nothing.) Can a branch of apple sprang out in a grape vine? Of course we are the same branches and connected to each other but what differ us is the gift from God. Roman 12:5(God in his kindness gave each of us different gifts. If your gift is speaking God's word, make sure what you say agrees with the Christian faith.) That gift is the reason that differ us from each other, thats your awefull point of view,.How pity, for you deceive yourself.

Roman 12:16(Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.)

Nan 21 of Philippines of CA @ Mar 16, 2009 06:15:20 AM

Actually, a defender of the faith

Don't insult my intelligence! I know that the writers of the NT were filled with the Spirit, but even believers who do not write God's Scriptures can interpret them. Or else, what good is II Timothy 3:16?

We are made to reflect who God is, but we are not part of God. For if we were, we would not have sinned and we could have even saved ourselves. Again, there can only be one God. John 1:1 says that "the Word was God" not "was a God" nor "part of God." And if no god was made before or after God the Father, then how did the Son and Spirit come to be? No, you are the one who needs to reread Isaiah 43:10.

Christ did indeed suffer much at the hands of the Jewish leaders, but weren't there others who believed that He was the Messiah? What about the centurion, a Gentile, who believed that Christ was a man of authority and asked Him to heal his servant? What of the Canaanite woman who called Him Lord and Son of David (a Messianic title) in Matthew 15? Also, the Pharisees and such did not have their own individual gospels or does the Law given to Moses contradict the words of Christ Jesus?

I gave the reference to Genesis because, had you read it, God knew Jacob and Esau before they were born and recognized them as people. As for the use of "us", I am surprised you, O liberal and free-minded interpretter of Scriptures, do not read it as God talking to His angels who have just witnessed Satan's rebellion. But how can God address Himself as though there were more "gods"? Do we ourselves debate within our own minds or aloud? Do we not question an action or thought and also answer ourselves? Is it possible that God does the same thing here?

John the Baptist denied being Elijah (see John 1:21). This is incarnation, not reincarnation. John, both in appearance and testimony, fulfilled the words of Malachi 4:5. The final judgment of the soul does not happen until the end (Revelations 20:11-15). And if the judgment of souls is at the end of time, then the resurrection of Jesus came too early! No, the resurrection ultimately will end with an eternal body, but depending if you have been saved will determine if it will be used for judgment or glory. Lazarus was indeed raised from the dead and was therefore resurrected and not reincarnated. O foolish person! The origin of reincarnation even teaches that someone who has been reincarnated lives an entirely new life, not continuing to live the same life that he/she had died from.

Have I ever said we are not human? Did I ever say we are not connected by salvation through Christ? But you claimed that we are the same and that our individuality is an illusion, but you wish to deceive me and others. Enough! "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire...When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -John 8:44.

No sir, I am not the one who needs to be pitied but you for you have believed Satan's lies.

Dr. Shade of NC @ Mar 15, 2009 14:07:59 PM

Cont...

Reincarnation is the process of putting soul in a body. That is why bringing Lazarus soul is a normal process for him since he is filled with the Holy Spirit. As I told you before, there are two deaths, to conquer physical death is not Jesus point but to counquer spiritual death which is the sin. Mark 2:9 (Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, your sins are forgiven or to say get up and pick up your pallet and walk). And I suggest you to read about Near death Experience. As to say that we are different? Open up your mind, we are all connected and one but we have different roles. Jesus said, “I am the vine and you are the branches”. If you cant accept that we are connected with each other, then perhaps the commandment of Jesus is futile to you ( Love your neighbor as yourself) for accepting that we are related to each other is very hard for your conscience, how much more to treat others like yourself. I pity you for such concept of difference.

“human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty… The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. … We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)”

Nan 21 of Philippines of CA @ Mar 15, 2009 01:28:17 AM

The Devil's Advocate

If you are really aware of the scriptures you should know that the apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit when they wrote their gospels, do not even proclaim that these interpretation of the writers were the same as those of the apostles and of their vision was. If you can verify to me that they are filled with the Holy Spirit, I might have believed you.

There is no single God, There are Gods but there is only one God the Father, God the Son. You must take the difference. If water is composed of Hydrogens and Oxygen, I ask you, does the water can be called oxygen? Can it be called hydrogen? People like you have a hard heart and understanding that we have a PART of GOD just like the water is compose of oxygen, see? Where did you get your spirit? If that did not came from God, therefore that is from the devil and since you cant accept that you have a part of God, I suggest that you have a part of the devil and that I cannot let you influence others by your own interpretation and delusion. Gen. 2:7 ( Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;and man became a living soul).

Regarding Christ sacrifices, until now you still don't know his sacrifices? You know that during Christ time, his adversary are those of the follower of Moses, sticking on their gospels, see? That is why Christ have made his own apostles for his secret teaching because the follower of Moses didnt believe that he is the Messiah, how much more his preachings and teachings? And if you lived during those times, will you believe that he is the saviour? I bet not, because you will still stick on the scriptures of Moses.

If abortion wasn't taught in the Bible then why did you refer the verses of Genesis? So your statement is ambiguous. We have the knowledge of what is wrong and right. Gen.3:22 (Then the Lord God said”behold the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”.) Take note also that the Lord God is speaking with with his same level (us). Isaiah 43:10 only refers to God the Father not God alone. John 1:1 (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God) see? There are two Gods but only one God the Father. I suggest you to carefully interpret it lest you fooled your wholeself.

Matthew 17:12-13 (But I tell you that Elijah has already come,yet people did not recognize him and treated him just as they pleased. In the same way, the son of man is going to suffer at their hands. Then the disciple understood that he had been speaking to them about John the Baptist.”). See, the incarnation wasn't directly mentioned or phrased in the bible but its principle and teaching does. And if the resurrection is for reviving once death , then why did Lazarus came to life first? Is that the resurrection he is telling? If it does, then he should have stop his mission.

Nan 21 of Philippines of CA @ Mar 15, 2009 01:25:29 AM

A failed point

Nan21, I am very well aware of when the Scriptures should be interpretted literally and when they are using metaphorical devices. I do not need to become a god to do this. Even Paul and other New Testament writers interpretted the Bible and they were not gods. Also, must we go over the fact that there is only one God? And if we are gods, what purpose does the sacrifice of Christ serve? Instead I direct you to Isaiah 43:10 which shows that there has been only one God and there will be no other afterward.

Abortion isn't taught in the Bible, but I know it is wrong because God recognizes the unborn as people (Psalm 139:13-16, Genesis 25:21-23). And if God sees the unborn as people and it is evil to murder a person, then abortion is wrong because it murders people. Reincarnation is also wrong because it implies that we have several chances in gaining salvation when such things are not taught in Scriptures. And if reincarnation is true, then why has not God revealed this to us? After all, He has revealed how we may be saved through faith.

As for Lazarus and others like him, you have confused resurrection with reincarnation. Even in the dictionary, reincarnation is when a soul is put into a new body which fits with Hindu theology and Western mysticism. Resurrection on the otherhand is the bringing to life of someone, not putting them into a new body for a new life. For Lazarus was brought back to life as the same Lazarus who had died four days ago and is the brother of Mary and Martha. He was not brought back as a turtle or as another man. And yes, Jesus did resurrect Lazarus for His glory. It even says it in John 11:4, 40. This doesn't contradict Scripture. For Elijah and Enoch did not die but were taken into heaven. But how could they have entered heaven when Christ had yet to pay for the sins of the world? They couldn't, so their physical bodies died though not on earth. Instead they awaited Christ's death with the other Old Testament saints. Therefore, they too died once. And those brought back to life, their first death was made void because of their resurrection. So again, they too died once at the end of their lives.

Yes, we are connected in God's plan, but if Judas wasn't born someone else would have taken his place because God's plan will be carried out and is not bound to the will of men. But we are not one. You are not me just as I am not Jesus. We are all different. No man has the exact same talent or is gifted in that talent the same as another. As for dogs begetting cats, take a look at the kings of Judah, for one king will be looked on favorably by God but his son will be despised by God. How can we then be one?

No my friend, it is you who has been deceived by the devil. As for I Cor. 15:45, it shows that we have inheritted things like a physical body and such from the physical man, Adam, while we receive a spiritual body from the spiritual man ,Jesus.

Dr. Shade of NC @ Mar 14, 2009 18:13:03 PM