The Perversity of the American Healthcare Market

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Then we'll see how smart you are because it's what CIVILIZED nations do ....blah, blah, blah!

"Canadian Healthcare Continues Its Collapse":

With the passage of ObamaCare, the United States has taken another fateful step down the road to fully socialized medicine, the ultimate goal of the American political class with regard to healthcare. Meanwhile, our neighbor to the north, which reached the end of that road over 40 years ago, is being forced by the laws of economics, which no government can repeal, to head in the opposite direction.

Just as the retirement of the baby boomers is causing major strains on U.S. government programs such as Social Security and Medicare, it is also putting serious pressure on the Canadian universal healthcare system. In a Reuters news analysis, Claire Sibonney writes: “Pressured by an aging population and the need to rein in budget deficits, Canada’s provinces are taking tough measures to curb healthcare costs, a trend that will erode the principles of the popular state-funded system.”

http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/3683-canadian-healthcare-continues-its-collapse

"Unprecedented Masses of Drug Abusers Visit U.S. Medical Center Emergency Departments Daily"

•Painkillers are the most commonly abused prescription drugs.

•The U.S. is the world’s largest consumer of painkillers, using 71 percent of the world’s oxycodone and 99 percent of the world’s hydrocodone, or Vicodin.

•In 1991 there were 40 million prescriptions for painkillers worldwide, but by 2001, there were 180 million painkiller prescriptions, most of them in the U.S.

•7 of the 11 drugs most commonly abused by high school students are prescription or over-the-counter drugs.

•A 2006 survey found that 7 million people 12 and over had abused prescription or over the counter drugs in the past 30 days. Most abused painkillers.

•2.2 million people age 12 and up started abusing painkillers in the last year.

•Young adults, age 18 to 25, show the most painkiller use and the greatest increases in abuse.

•About 1 in 4 teens will abuse prescription drugs before they graduate from high school

•Emergency room visits related to painkiller use rose 153 percent from 1995 to 2002.

•Admissions to drug treatment programs for people using painkillers rose 321 percent from 1995 to 2005.

•The number of people abusing painkillers is estimated to have risen from half a million to 2.5 million between 1985 and 2002.

•Deaths related to painkiller use rose 160 percent from 1999 to 2004.

•The abuse of painkillers causes more deaths than heroine and cocaine combined.

•About 1 in 5 teens gets high by abusing painkillers.

•Over 2 million teens reported abusing prescription drugs in 2006.

•2,500 teens abuses prescription drugs for the first time each day.

http://www.painkillerabuse.us/content/prescription-drug-statistics.html

Yeah, so "civilized" are we that we'll be back to a third world nation in a heartbeat or two.....

Karen W. of IL 4:16AM April 02, 2012

There's no rule, law, blah, blah, blah that you HAVE to buy health INSURANCE in the other. Other nations, like Canada, have universal health care supported with the TAX system not INSURANCE. Because looking after it's citizens (esp. the poor, old, and the weak) is what CIVILIZED nations do and because everyone eventually needs health care, it recognizes that everyone has to pay.

The powerful special interest groups, mostly the insurance companies, will fight tooth and nail before that will ever happen so the US opts for going with requiring INSURANCE instead of paying it through taxes, a really stupid alternative, so it didn't have to.

But like it or not, everyone will need the health care system at some point in their life (emergencies, giving birth, getting vaccinated, etc., etc.) so why should you freeload off others who do pay.

Maybe the government should just pass a law instead "No INSURANCE, no access to health care system." Period. You have an emergency, no insurance, too bad. That'll take care of the problem for those who says "it's a personal choice". No law required that to say "you must buy INSURANCE"

Go ahead, roll the dice and you're dead. Then we'll see how smart you are...

Gary of WA 12:52PM April 01, 2012

bruce b of NV:

Please show me the rule, commandment, act, legislation, or writ anywhere that states non-third world countries HAVE to provide health insurance to their citizens....

It is abundantly clear; Howard Hughes you ain't, brudder!

Karen W. of IL 8:22AM April 01, 2012

what the previous poster fails to acknowledge is that the united states,is the only non-third world country that does not provide even basic healthcare for all of it;s citizens.

bruce b of NV 11:27PM March 31, 2012

If the HHS mandate prevails -- absent civil resistance on the part of Catholic healthcare providers -- then the now invisible provider of 13% of the nations low-cost care (30% coverage in rural populations - ie truely the Walmart of healthcare for the poor) may perversely become visible by the void it leaves behind - watch wait times and costs rise for the remaining 87% of the market

see

Ed Morissey at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/03/01/Obama-Risks-$100-Billion-if-Catholic-Hospitals-Close.aspx#page1

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/01/what-if-catholic-bishops-arent-bluffing/

Clare Krishan of PA 10:12AM March 31, 2012

“New CBO Report Proves We Cannot Afford Obamacare”

February 23, 2011

“CBO’s initial scoring of Obamacare analyzed its effects from 2010 to 2019, including only six years of full implementation, since main spending provisions do not go into effect until 2014. The new document reports on 2012 to 2021, including an additional two years of full implementation. This still fails to show the true 10-year cost of the law, but gets a little closer. Over eight years, the gross cost of Obamacare’s coverage provisions jumps from $938 billion to $1.39 trillion, which includes $677 billion to create a new health entitlement offering generous subsidies to the middle class to purchase health insurance."

“It also includes an expansion of Medicaid, which will cost $674 billion. Initially, the federal government will almost entirely fund the expansion, but will pass costs on to the states starting in 2020. This will have serious consequences, as states already face tough choices to tackle mounting deficits. The combined increase in states’ Medicaid costs will be $60 billion. CBO’s initial score showed the Medicaid expansion costing states just $20 billion. The addition of just two extra years increased this number threefold, revealing the crippling effect the expansion will have on state budgets."

“Obamacare proponents say the new law cuts the deficit. But the CBO report pulls the mask off the bill and reveals what it really is: a massive tax increase that, on paper at least, is slightly greater than the massive spending hike it also contains. Obamacare thus indisputably represents a massive new burden on current taxpayers and future generations."

“Finally, several of Obamacare’s “pay-fors” are unlikely to ever become reality. One example is the excise tax on “Cadillac” health plans, an unpopular change that isn’t supposed to occur until 2018—after President Obama is safely out of office. If the Congress and White House responsible for creating this tax weren’t willing to put it into effect, it is unlikely that future lawmakers will do so. Without the Cadillac tax, Obamacare loses $111 billion of offsets for new spending."

“Unsustainable cuts to the Medicare program are also expected to pay for new spending. Both the CBO director and Medicare’s Chief Actuary have warned that these cuts to Medicare provider payments could reduce access to care for seniors and reduce quality of care. Congress’s past behavior proves its hesitance to allow similar changes to the program, so savings within Medicare will likely not materialize."

“The reality is that the offsets for Obamacare spending cannot occur without serious negative consequences, and without them, it adds significantly to deficit spending. CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf’s letter to Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan last week stated that repeal would reduce the deficit if these provisions don’t occur."

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/23/new-cbo-report-proves-we-cannot-afford-obamacare/

Bill Hedges of MO 11:54PM March 30, 2012

Jeff P of MN:

Your assumptions spell exactly the person you are.

I do not view Fox News as I am quite aware of their far right reporting just as I am aware of the fact that www.politifact.com (commonly known as "PolitiFiction")

reports left, right, true, mostly true, half true, barely true, false, and pants on fire (in other words ....who the hell knows?).

My figures of obamacare come from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/obamacare-costs-double-in-two-years/

Judgements of "politifact's" misguidance and misinformation come from various sources, to name a few:

1) http://spectator.org/archives/2009/05/28/polifacts-fixers/print

2) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/23/mailbag-lie-year/

3) http://blogs.knoxnews.com/editor/2012/01/if-story-comments-are-a.shtml

4) http://www.mediaite.com/online/politifact-shakily-rules-against-lawrence-odonnell-days-after-maddow-slam/

....and you have the junk to tell me of "properly informed people"??? My, my, my!

My boy, you may now consider yourself informed.

Any further attempts of your utilizing a media source such as www.politifact.com as a presentation of "truth", you shall be be named totally incredible, indeed.

Harry Reasoner of MA 9:41PM March 30, 2012

What about Henry J. Kaiser? The relative success of the private HMO and its subsequent popularization in response to the Clinton attempt at universal health care bought another couple of decades for private solutions.

CF of CA 6:37PM March 30, 2012

That's because the "healthcare market" is not a market at all. It is largely driven by government dictate which prevents market forces from regulating prices and costs. Now if people had to first reach into their own pocket for money before someone else paid for everything then we'd have a market. Yes Joe B, in this case it is about having skin in the game rather that being (in the words of BO) "free of charge."

And, IMO, the government doesn't get to violate the constitution just because it had legislated itself around its own axle.

jeff of NV 6:01PM March 30, 2012

@ Harry Reasoner-

"(a recent "discovery" of that figure that has nearly doubled from $938 billion to $1.79 trillion in less than three years after it's conception)"

Properly informed people will ignore your nonsense when they see you type that tripe.

Fox isn't a good place to get your world view.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/21/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-health-reforms-price-tag-has-doubled/

Time for people like you to start doing some research on your own.

jeff p of MN 5:26PM March 30, 2012

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Scott Galupo is a Washington-based freelance writer. He formerly worked for House Republican Leader John Boehner, and was a staff writer for The Washington Times.

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