Conservatives Should Be Wary of Paul Ryan's Budget Plan

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HELLO REPUBLICANS, WAKE UP!!! WHEN YOU NEGOTIATE, THE RESULT ENDS IN THE MIDDLE.
Paul Ryan killed conservatism. For a moment there was hope with the Tea Party emerging. Now it's gone.
Paul Ryan is either evil or stupid. He looks like a nice guy so I'm going stupid. Everybody on this planet (Except Paul Ryan) knows that when to sides present opposite proposals, the negotiated result will be in the middle. So when the Democrats propose ridiculous overspending and the Republicans propose moderate overspending, the negotiated result will be considerable overspending.
The Democrat congress' and Obama's proposals are not moderate or measured. They understand negotiations. So they are proposing way out left ideas so they can get a result that is as liberal as possible. And with Republican morons like Paul Ryan, they succeed.

JL 5:16AM April 07, 2012

I wrote a book called "Only Conservatives are in Their Right Minds." Maybe if liberals caught a clue they would be up for debating me on this issue.
Go to
http://www2.xlibris.com/books/webimages/wd/109207/

David Fisher of UT 8:38PM April 01, 2012

One needs to take anything somone like Paul says with a grain of salt. I hatwe to call people liars... But what exactly is it when a Person says dropping a Tax Rate from 35% to 25% is NOT a Tax Decrease? I will say this in spite of trying not to... it is just so patent.. Paul Ryan is a Liar Period.. Do you really want to support this snake oil peddler? Because that is what he is doing here.... selling snake oil as a Cure all.

TruthSayer of MO 5:02PM March 25, 2012

Good article, it's all just fussing with the details of serious deficit spending.. the administration's budget, And the Paul Ryan version.
It's like Ed and Monica are tapped out on their credit cards and are arguing about using the last bit of cash for another pair of shoes that Monica finds compelling.
Bill Hedges of Mo. does a good job commenting about the social security trust fund. He's right, it's Only a federal IOU to "the fund"....money previously collected is gone, used sneaky, spent already.... the current pay outs just gathered from payroll deductions from current workers. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont socialist Senator, even wrote an article once saying that social security does Not add to the "national debt".. it was just a complete lie, research the issue and you'll see.
There Is a bulldog in the fight that Scott Galupo seems not to notice. Ron Paul's proposed budget addresses runaway entitlements and produces the confidence wanted for genuine recovery.

John of NY 8:02AM March 21, 2012

Part 3 _ CBO report on Ryan's budget bill:
http://blog.american.com/2012/03/cbo-report-shows-how-new-ryan-budget-plan-puts-u-s-on-path-to-solvency/
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“House GOP unveils budget blueprint”
03/20/2012
“The GOP plan doesn’t have a chance of becoming law this year — the Democratic-controlled Senate has no plans to even take it up — but it provides a sharp election-season contrast to the budget released by Obama last month. His proposal would rely on tax increases on the wealthy to curb trillion-dollar-plus deficits but for the most part would leave alone key benefit programs such as Medicare”
“The Republican proposal, released by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, would wrestle the federal spending deficit to a manageable size in short order, but only by cutting Medicaid, food stamps, Pell Grants and a host of other programs that Obama and other Democrats have promised to defend."
“The plan calls for steep drops in personal and corporate tax rates in exchange for clearing away hundreds of tax deductions and preferences. It would eliminate oft-criticized corporate tax boondoggles but also tax deductions and credits claimed by the poor and middle class."
“To cope with the unsustainable growth of Medicare and the influx of retiring baby boomers, the GOP budget reprises a controversial approach that would switch the program — for those under 55 today — from a traditional “fee for service” framework in which the government pays doctor and hospital bills to a voucherlike “premium support” approach in which the government subsidizes purchases of health insurance."
“Republicans say the new approach would force competition upon a wasteful health care system, lowering cost increases and giving seniors more options. But Democratic opponents of the idea say the proposed system — designed by Ryan and liberal Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon — would cut costs too steeply and would provide the elderly with both a shrinking menu of options and higher out-of-pocket costs. Starting in 10 years, the plan also calls for gradually raising the Medicare retirement age from 65 to 67.”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/house-gop-to-unveil-budget-blueprint/#ixzz1pk8Qyv9G

Bill Hedges of MO 6:16AM March 21, 2012

Part 2 brucetee _ Was it $ 1/2 billion taken out of s/s trying to get bumacare not to lose money. Four year wait for bumacare because figures go by 10 year period. So little health care for 4 years of the 10 years. CBO says we can not afford bumacare. New CBO numbers destroy bumacare. Too bad newer numbers by CBO were not know then. Republican predictions on bumacare were substantiated by CBO at last...
As far as s/s, change must happen. Remember brucetee our debt is already DOUBLED because of funny money printed by Federal Reserve and loaned % free and nothing paid back by foreign banks and Wall Street:
"Former President George W. Bush has stated that "All that's left in the Social Security Trust is a cabinet full of IOU's" (June 3, 2005, The New York Times).
"United States Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina wrote that "The Trust Fund is empty and has been for years. There is no money in there; just IOU’s. The very concept of a Social Security Trust Fund is not so much a myth as it is a lie." (October 1, 2009, Washington Examiner;
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Washington-politicians-most-titanic-lie-63102227.html
"The United States Chamber of Commerce states on their website, "The government does not save our Social Security taxes for future retirees. Congress borrows this extra money and uses it to make up for deficits elsewhere in the budget. Thus the Social Security trust fund contains nothing but IOUs the government has written to itself." (United States Chamber of Commerce website,
http://www.uschamber.com/issues/retirementpension/socialsecurity/trust-fund-myth
"A Washington Post Poll, February 10, 2005, found that 90% of the American people know that a reason "the Social Security program faces financial difficulties" is that "Money in the Social Security Trust Fund is being spent on programs other than Social Security."
"In his book, The Looting of Social Security, Allan Smith, PH. D. in Economics, explains why the IOU's in the Social Security Trust Fund are worthless. Simply put NO money has EVER been placed in the Social Security Trust Fund. Therefore, there is No money that can be withdrawn - it is simply an accounting gimmick."
http://www.nationalreferendum.org/sstrustfund.html

Bill Hedges of MO 5:14AM March 21, 2012

brucetee
I SEE you still want to discussion the old Ryan bill so you can use same talking points. You write:
“the republicans "path to prosperity" is just another attempt to shaft the lower and middle class along with destroying medicare for future generations by handing them a piece of paper ( a voucher ) and telling them lottsa luck”
Well “ lottsa luck” if things is not changed:
7/13/201
“What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund?”
“Well, either Obama and Geithner are lying to us now, or they and all defenders of the Social Security status quo have been lying to us for decades. It must be one or the other."
“Here’s why: Social Security has a trust fund, and that trust fund is supposed to have $2.6 trillion in it, according to the Social Security trustees. If there are real assets in the trust fund, then Social Security can mail the checks, regardless of what Congress does about the debt limit."
“President Obama’s budget director, Jack Lew, explained all this last February in USA Today”:
“Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.”
“Notice that Lew said nothing about raising the debt ceiling, which was already looming, and it shouldn’t matter anyway because Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer?"
“Unconvinced, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote a subsequent column questioning Lew’s assertions. “This [Lew’s] claim is a breathtaking fraud. The pretense is that a flush trust fund will pay retirees for the next 26 years. Lovely, except for one thing: The Social Security trust fund is a fiction. … In other words, the Social Security trust fund contains—nothing.”
“Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036. So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?"
“The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted. And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/

Bill Hedges of MO 4:43AM March 21, 2012

the republicans "path to prosperity" is just another attempt to shaft the lower and middle class along with destroying medicare for future generations by handing them a piece of paper ( a voucher ) and telling them lottsa luck.
the last time the republicans troted out this monstrosity ( last year ) it was met with a 70% + disapproval rating by people across the political spectrum.
it can be expected to meet the same fate this time around.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------on another note.it;s time for newt to take a dose of reality.the fat lady has sung.
IT'S OVER!

bruce b of NV 10:16PM March 20, 2012

Good read Scott. All you have to do is read the inane rantings of a mental midget like Bill Hedges to realize why the GOP is running on garbage like this Ryan Budget.

Steve of CO 7:54PM March 20, 2012

brucetee
Can’t keep track on number of bills passed by us in House. Can’t remember any recent bills PASSED by you all IN SENATE. Your team is sticking with your performance that gave you Nov. 2, 2010. As the Brits would say GOOD SHOW. JUST not good show here in America. NO votes on our bills in Senate. NO re-writes of our bills in Senate & sending back to HOUSE. __NOTHING__. Maybe Democrats in Senate should get FOOD STAMPS. No. They don’t do anything but they are PAID.
brucetee what is in “ryan budget proposal” ? How is it the same ? Don’t forget LINKS ...

Bill Hedges of MO 7:16PM March 20, 2012