Woodrow Wilson and the Progressive-Fascist Distinction

May 12, 2010 RSS Feed Print

By Scott Galupo, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

Jonah Goldberg graciously, if forcefully, responds to my musings on the legacy of Woodrow Wilson. Rather than repeat the points I made in an earlier follow-up—short version: I don’t deny that Wilson was a Progressive nor that Progressivism was generally a bad thing—I’ll focus on this contention of Jonah’s:

If you want to claim everything stemming from the Western Enlightenment tradition as “progressive” you’re free to do so. But analytically, where does that get you? By this logic we’re all progressives—and by all, I mean conservatives, libertarians, Bolsheviks, liberals, anarchists, and Maoists—because we’re not Medievalists. But if progressive is to mean something more concrete and specific—say, the ideas associated with the New Republic, Herbert Croly, Teddy Roosevelt’s Progressive Party, and the administration of Woodrow Wilson—then Scott’s use of “progressive” is almost meaningless.

Let me refine that a bit.

What I was driving at was this: For my money, the distinguishing characteristic of European fascism, which Jonah sees as coterminous with Progressivism, is that it was, for lack of a better term, anti-liberal. Or perhaps we should say anti-Progress. After German Romanticism and Rousseau, it saw Enlightenment rationalism as a desiccating philosophy that, as one of my old poli-sci professors put it, effectively cut humankind off from the neck down. The appeal of fascism was that it would recover the simpler, elemental animating passions that the liberal order, with its mundane bourgeois virtues, suppressed.

Now, what do we mean when we fling around the word “liberal” and prefix it with terms like “classical” and “Manchester” and “Lockean”? Were Europe’s—the world’s—first liberals a bunch of breech-clad Grover Norquists grousing about taxation? No: That kind of thing would have to wait about a century, as liberalism traveled on its Anglo-Saxon trajectory. And even during America’s Founding era, liberal values were bound up in the cause of republicanism, which is how we find the author of the Declaration of Independence sympathizing with what we now see as the illiberal excesses of revolutionary France.

The immediate context of Lockean liberalism, though, was the religious strife of early-modern Europe. Locke, and shortly before him Thomas Hobbes, wanted to find a way to turn down the interdenominational heat of Christendom. In his book, The Stillborn God: Religion, Politics, and the Modern West, Columbia University’s Mark Lilla has a succinct explanation of the great insight of Locke’s conception of limited government: “If the only task of government was to establish hedges around different kinds of human interaction, if it was no longer in the business of saving souls or promoting one sect’s doctrines, it would cease to be a prize for the spiritually ambitious.”

Imagine that, said Locke: a government too circumscribed in scope to be worth the bother of incipient tyrants, and individuals too content being “citizens” to plot each other’s elimination.

Alas, if only it proved to have been that easy.

In one sense, the residue of statism was baked into secular liberalism. Hobbes’ idea of a “Sovereign” was an “earthly God” who could compel such profound fear that his subjects would choose to live in peace rather than defy him.

On the European Continent, at least, it turned out to be a relatively short walk from Locke to humanism to anticlericalism to the French motto “liberte, egalite, fraternite” and on down to “scientific socialism.” (Even Marx conceded that capitalism was an improvement over feudalism; he and his intellectual comrade Friedrich Engels just didn’t want to stop there.)

Where did American Progressivism fit into this schema? Like Wilson, it was highly idiosyncratic. But I’m fairly certain that its adherents saw themselves as perfecting, rather than overturning or rolling back, the liberal order, as fascism did. Fascism was initially a species of what the scholar Michael Mann called leftist nonmaterialism. He wrote: “To be German, Italian, or French, fascists asserted, meant much more than just living in a geographical space; it meant something outsiders could not experience, involving a basic identity and emotion, beyond reason.”

Beyond Reason: If I were learned enough to write a book about fascism, I think that’s what I’d call it. That’s the anti-Enlightenment rub of fascism, and why the nation-states that found themselves in its thrall turned out to be such a devastating rebuttal to the internationalist Wilson’s vision of a concert of democracies. It was catnip for post-Christian tyrants with “spiritual ambition” (Lilla’s phrase).

If anything, Progressivism represented the height of Western/rationalist arrogance about the ability to superintend a large national economy and society. It believed too much in reason and, therefore, viewed constitutional limits on power as foolishly outdated.

Making a long story short, Jonah was right to call me out for implying that there’s one big “progressive” family. What I meant to do was draw a distinction between Progressivism and fascism.

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Right and left came from the French Revolution: the monarchists sat to the right of the National Assembly President, and the radicals to his left. It is not a valid concept to describe political sympathies today. For example, where would you put a anti-abortion, anti-war, pro-gun, pro-gay marriage libertarian? Where does an anarchist or a monarchist go?

"Liberal" in Hitler's day referred to 1700s-1800s liberalism, the whole John Locke/Founding Fathers liberalism, not what since been called liberalism.

Hitler's rise to power is wrongly portrayed as a surprise or an anomaly. Actually, the ideas he expounded were not unusual or in ill-repute at the time,, as evidenced by the abundance of dictatorships in Europe in the 1920s and 1930s.

Socialism does not equal Marxism. There are other kinds of Socialism than Marxism, which is why Hitler can still call his part "socialist" yet hate Marxists. (Hitler, writing in Mein Kampf, denounces "Marxists", not "socialists.")

To be a conservative does not necessarily make one a Fascist. To praise family values and one's own country has absolutely no correlation with wanting to put Jews in gas chambers and attack every country that looks at us funny.

Nationalism does not equal imperialism, and internationalism doesn't equal freedom. Imperialism="give me your country." Nationalism="get your occupiers out of my country." Joan of Arc and William Wallace were nationalists, though the English occupiers would have loved them to believe that country doesn't matter. In the end, a country will rule itself or be ruled by another country: nationalism, or being subjugated by another country are the two choice. Pick wisely.

Many Fascist ideas come from the early 1900s "progressives," though few of these ideas are actually championed by the modern left; the reason is simple: issues we debate today are not the same ones debated in the early 1900s.

"Progressive" itself is a confusing umbrella term, used to describe everything from prohibitionists and eugenics-advocates to suffragists and muckrakers. In short, this debate has been poisoned by misleading assumptions and changing definitions of words.

Steve of IL 5:49PM August 03, 2010

Scott,

It is clear that Jonah Goldberg is delusional. We are all progressives? I hope not. There are those historians that do not agree about the origin of progressivism and to the exact date it began. We have to stop progressivism!! The progressives have been trying to destroy the US Constitution for many years. They have made progress in this. Changing the teachings about our Founding Fathers. Telling us they were white anti religious racists. Not true. They are chipping away at our rights. Progressivism is complex and when people hear the word they think "progress" must be good. Little do they know that it is really anti-progress when it comes to our freedoms and rights. Before voting we all need to make sure that we are not voting for a progressive. There are progressives in the Liberal Democratic Party and the Conservative Republican Party.

Jason W of AZ 10:43PM June 03, 2010

Fascism is NOT right-wing on America's scale of government. It is in Europe!

On our scale: All the way to the left is tyranny (King, dictator) and all the way to the right is anarchy (no central gov. power; states run themselves with nothing to organize them)

Obviously simplistic definitions - that's why MOST people agree that America is a 'center-right'country. Americans want a central gov't BUT with limited powers. It is historically, factually accurate to say that Fascism is on the far left of our scale, as is Communism and Socialism. Do you know what NAZI really stands for? You might want to look it up - I think you'll be surprised.

Scary, huh?

Donna of TX 1:49PM May 17, 2010

Scott Galupo

Scott Galupo

Scott Galupo is a Washington-based freelance writer. He formerly worked for House Republican Leader John Boehner, and was a staff writer for The Washington Times.

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