Creation of Christian Soldiers a Chilling Sidelight of Darwin Bashing

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Natisha Efford of HI 4:58PM April 13, 2011

"There is no disagreement between science and religion, except what people have contrived. If science exists it is God's science. That is; the study of the real workings of what God has created. "

I think your sentiment is nice, but as this article shows not everyone believes as you do and these disagreements have gone from contrived to very real. The ID movement has been attempting different tactics to achieve their goals over many years now and they aren't letting up. We can't back down unless we want this joke of an idea to end up in classsrooms.

"instead we show pride that WE have discovered something, instead of being humbled when we finally attaion the knowledge of His creation."

I show pride in the thousands of people who have put thousands of years (combined) into studying the world around us. I can also assure you that many non-believers feel very humbled by these understandings (discoveries isn't quite right I agree). The universe is an amazing place through the eyes of science, wonderful to behold and no less awe inspiring in its darkest moments. I've never really understood the need to give the credit to another being, especially when doing so requires philosophical and linguistic gymnastics. I'm good with one life, the world/universe and the people around me. I don't have to buy into any untestable stories. Life is what WE make it and pride in that is the only way WE can be good carers to this world.

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There is no disagreement between science and religion, except what people have contrived. If science exists it is God's science. That is; the study of the real workings of what God has created. And it is in His time and His plan wheb men will discover the realities of His science. But instead we show pride that WE have discovered something, instead of being humbled when we finally attaion the knowledge of His creation.

bobby of PA 8:34AM May 29, 2010

Paul,

You must be confusing Richard Dawkins with the real issue. While Richard Dawkins and those like him may at times fit your caricature below, the real issue certainly does not. And that real issue is fundamentalist Christians attempting to push their religious beliefs into the science classroom where they do not belong. And educated and informed Christians know this full well, and that is why they support maintaining a vigilance against religious fundamentalism and fanaticism in all of its forms, and that would include militant atheism as well, for it too does not belong in the classroom.

Where your little caricature below misses the mark is that it actually ignores the real issue; what ID-Creationists are trying to PUSH INTO the science classroom, not some fictitious high school biology teacher that is attempting to drive religion out of the hearts and minds of students. Of course, if some mis-educated fundamentalist Christian learns in the science classroom that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and not 6,000 years old like his fundamentalist pastor told him, indeed, the truth might just crowd out some error with truth and bring about for some a crisis of belief.

Let us be clear what the real issue is; it is not one of 'atheistic scientists' denying religious belief, but of fundamentalist religious fanatics attempting to drive their religious beliefs into the science classroom and public education.

"I am sure there are many Christians who are scientists so please do not use your position or opportunity to belittle those that see the whole and believe."

The reason that enlightened and intelligent religionists (Christian, Jewish, and Muslim alike) support keeping ID-Creationism out of the science classroom is that ID-Creationism is one narrow interpretation of the bible; it is a religious or philosophical belief, not science. And the attempt by ID-Creationists to claim their religious/philosophical beliefs are science and PUSH them into the science classroom is the REAL issue.

And these same Christians, Jews, and Muslims who oppose ID-Creationism in the science classroom celebrate the Creation and worship the Creator of it all. But they do it in the proper context, and they intelligently respect the limitations of science the fact that one's religious beliefs do not belong in the science classroom.

Rob of WA 11:15AM March 09, 2009

Awe, intrigue and wonder, with the humble appreciation of what is increasingly the power and tapestry of the big picture that delivered us out of the chaos of life. Well there is no room for that in science it seems.

No that's right it has to be ground out of the proven evidence of our being. Proven facts probability not just the only thing but on of the cornerstones built on reason and expounding the doubts. Proof but unmistaking the logic, in the end explanations for our being beyond God beyond religion its just that we evolved and that's it there is no creation.

Yet tell that to the couple who just have had their first baby. Tell that to the kid who has interest in a crab scurring along the beach. Tell that to a young Charles Darwin and you may never have had him as a thinker for what became his theory.

That's what is killing Science today, atheists and others in their dogmatic use of evidence to stomp out belief and wonder storm the chapel of the youngs intrigue and beliefs to chase out God chase out wonder. Shout out over those peering up at the stars its all evolution nothing is created. There they justified their stand their non belief by destroy others.

I am sure their are many Christians who are scientists so please do not use your position or opportunity to belittle those that see the whole and believe. Whether they are scientists or future scientists or just those that regularly marvel and wonder at the world its processes no matter how mathematicians or scientists try to explain it away.

Some call it creation, but sometimes things just happen and there is no explanation. Isn't that what evolution is? something is created that just has the combination of characteristics that suit that niche with success.

Some people believe in God because it gives their life meaning. They do not need to prove whether the Cambrian period was an explosion or not. Atheism is the new cult.

But their not satisfied with their beliefs, they have to attack Christians in all walks of life, belittle and isolate them in the process.

Paul Davis 8:23AM March 09, 2009

"I think we can both agree that science is an everchanging, self-correcting process that is governed by the quality of the hypotheses tested and the data collected."

Agreed.

"Intelligent Design advocates like Mike Behe and Bill Dembski ... have held steadily to their principles and 'hypotheses', even when their ideas have been substantially refuted by both mathematical simulations and experimental evidence."

In my encounters with ID-Creationists I have come to appreciate Reid's quip, "Evidence is a weak siege-weapon for storming a belief-system." (Reid, Robert G. B. Evolutionary Theory: The Unfinished Synthesis. New York: Cornell University Press; 1985; p. 202.)

Science teaches man to speak the new language of mathematics and trains his thoughts along lines of exacting precision. And science also stabilizes philosophy through the elimination of error, while it purifies religion by the destruction of superstition.

Rob of WA 11:24PM March 02, 2009

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