Poll: Americans Split on Ryan, Obama Budget Plans

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Contrary to the official koch talking to play down the revolt of average Americans at Republican town halls, there isn't a split among any reasonable person about the budgets. The Corp Right would like to pretend there's a split and are spending millions to manufacture a split, hence Roff gets paid for more fiction writing.

Roger of NE 7:14PM April 28, 2011

@DeeToo

Could you please provide the source for the claims that 18 million individuals earn over $100K and pay no taxes at all? I find the claims you provided difficult to believe.

But I am willing to evaluate the source behind your claims. So please provide your source.

Thanks.

Bob of TX 4:57PM April 28, 2011

G.R. of TX _ If you want to bring racist into this then let’s bring racism into it.

Democrats was the racist and Republican party supported the blacks. So if any old people are going to be racist would be Al Gore’s father (which he was):

“The Democrat Race Lie"

“This whopper deserves all the attention it can get. Again, it shows the ignorance and contempt of the electorate liberals depend on.”

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

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G.R. writes “America's seniors are also more likely to be racist and homophobic and have, on average, lower IQs than those in the 18-29 age group."

You have proof of this ? Can I say you SPECULATE ? Anyone who is qualified to vote should.

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G.R. says “Evidence-based economics would tend to show that in the long run, everyone (including the rich!) is better off when the government provides more services at the cost of a somewhat higher tax rate.”

And your proof is ???

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Enough fun. You provide opinions with no evidence. Which is fine.

Polls was against obamacare when they passed obamacare and polls are still against obamcare. CBO has crunched the numbers and obamcare causes debt. Debt is what this is all about. Government has spent the piggy banks of S/S, medicare, etc..Number of tax payers who support each S/S recipient keeps dropping. With little in kitty, something must changed.

There was a reason for Nov. 2, 2010. There is a reason for liberal numbers dropping.

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"CBO: Obama Budget $2.3 Trillion Worse Than Claimed"

"The CBO estimates that ten years of deficits would add up to $9.5 trillion under the Obama plan and by 2021 the debt held by the public would total 87 percent of gross domestic product."

"CBO concludes that s, “if all of the President's budgetary proposals were enacted, they would add $26 billion to the baseline deficit for 2011. As a result, the 2011 deficit would total $1.43 trillion, or 9.5 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2011/03/18/cbo_obama_budget_$23_trillion_worse_than_claimed

Bill Hedges of MO 3:04PM April 28, 2011

"Which does suggest that people more likely to be more informed, like America’s seniors, are siding with Ryan. But again, that’s just speculation."

America's seniors are also more likely to be racist and homophobic and have, on average, lower IQs than those in the 18-29 age group. Doesn't mean they're more or less likely to be right.

Evidence-based economics would tend to show that in the long run, everyone (including the rich!) is better off when the government provides more services at the cost of a somewhat higher tax rate.

I also question the assertion that seniors are in fact more likely to be more informed, at least about the budget debates; according to a 2008 Pew poll, seniors are more likely to watch TV news and read newspapers, while younger adults are more likely to listen to the radio or read the news online. Certainly, middle-aged Americans are the most well-informed group; but on average, younger Americans are more likely to be more knowledgeable about finance, politics, and international affairs, while seniors are more likely to be knowledgeable about weather, health, and community news.

G.R. of TX 1:36PM April 28, 2011

This poll you mention, Mr. Roff, does not ask people about specifics.

If asked whether peole want to have Medicare go to a voucher system, overwhelmingly they do not. If asked whether they want to seek medical insurance in the open market as a senior, a large majority says heck no! If asked if they want to have huge tax cuts for big business and subsidies continued for oil and agribusiness, the answer again is "no way". If they are asked if tax rates for the top 1% should rise, the answer is YES. These questions, when not stated in political terms, are 65-85% anti-Ryan Plan proposals.

In 2008 there were over 142 million tax returns filed. Of them -

993,503 earned more than a $$$$ half million/ that year and paid NO TAXES AT ALL. 34,870 more taxpayers earned more than a $$$$ half million/ that year and did pay taxes. So a million people making 10 times what an average family makes PAID NO TAXES Another 17 million making $100k-$500k also paid NO TAXES. SO - if we had the 18 million making over $100k pay any taxes at all - that would not be such a hardship - and could help pay off some of the debt? Let's put their money straight to the debt instead of current expenditures. If half paid $ 5,000 instead of zero - and the other half paid $10,000 instead of zero, that would be $137 BILION a year more to pay off the debt. See-it's easy to pay off old bills if everyone contributes....

We all want the budget to balance and the debt to be paid. Let's not twist the wishes of the public in an attempt to obscure the real issue - until we raise taxes on the wealthy and seriously cut defense, the problems will never be solved....

DeeToo of SC 12:55PM April 28, 2011

mr. roff what you omitted was when people were poll on mr. ryan,s proposal to turn medicare into a "voucher system" 75 to 80% of the people,depending on the poll,thinks his idea stinks.

these are folks from all sides of the political specturm. the more the the republicans try to defend this turkey the less people like it.

bruw b of NV 12:15PM April 28, 2011

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Peter Roff

Peter Roff is a contributing editor at U.S. News & World Report. Formerly a senior political writer for United Press International, he’s now affiliated with several public policy organizations including Let Freedom Ring, and Frontiers of Freedom. His writing has appeared in National Review, Fox News’ opinion section, The Daily Caller, Politico and elsewhere. Follow him on Twitter @PeterRoff.

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