Tax Hikes Hurt Republicans--Just Ask Utah Governor Gary Herbert

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when the pass tobacco taxes. They have reached the point of diminishing returns. John Q. Public will always find a way to obtain a consumer product at a price they are wiling to pay.Think Prohibition.

IF the states want to see more revenue they need to be more pragmatic. The question to ask is will we as a nation ever ban the sale and use of tobacco? If the answer is no, them logic should tell lawmakers to tax the product at a rate the consumer is willing to pay. Bring their dollars back to the state for the benefit of the state.

To all the fools still waiting for their health care cost or insurance cost to go down as smoking declines. After 23 to 30 years of anti tobacco, we should now realize those are lies, it is not going to happen, so reduce the taxes and use the revenue for education, public safety, health care and education.

Jan of OR 7:35PM April 11, 2010

when the pass tobacco taxes. They have reached the point of diminishing returns. John Q. Public will always find a way to obtain a consumer product at a price they are wiling to pay.Think Prohibition.

IF the states want to see more revenue they need to be more pragmatic. The question to ask is will we as a nation ever ban the sale and use of tobacco? If the answer is no, them logic should tell lawmakers to tax the product at a rate the consumer is willing to pay. Bring their dollars back to the state for the benefit of the state.

To all the fools still waiting for their health care cost or insurance cost to go down as smoking declines. After 23 to 30 years of anti tobacco, we should now realize those are lies, it is not going to happen, so reduce the taxes and use the revenue for education, public safety, health care and education.

Jan of OR 7:33PM April 11, 2010

That is some hard-hitting journalism there. All the economic experts and the rest of the wacko liberal media has been telling us the recession began and was exacerbated by George W. Bush's policies. But evidently you have uncovered the TRUTH! Huzzah! I look forward to reading hearing about it on Glenn Beck's show.

Jahn Dough of ID 9:53AM April 07, 2010

Mr. Roff quotes Salt Lake Tribune Columnist Paul Rolly:

"He and his fellow 912ers see no difference between the tobacco tax and proposals in other states to tax bullets, soft drinks, and junk food. The opposition to all of that fits right in with the 'give-us-liberty' Patrick Henry movement that Republicans have so far adopted as their own."

The implication being that Tea Party advocates are too dense to make what whould seem to everyone to be an obvious distinction.

Mr. Rolly needs to be reminded that principles are just as likely to disregard distictions as to acknowledge them. The distinction between cigarettes and soft drinks may be relevant to him but it is not to the Tea Party movement and Mr. Rolly has not explained why his particular distinction is meaninful.

Mr. Rolly seems to believe that the difference between tobacco and soft drinks is more relevant to the discussion than the principle that majority gets to tax the minority as they see fit. Let's apply this reasoning to a different context. Suppose Congress passed a law abolishing the use of four letter words in print and the tea party movement objected on free-speech grounds. Would Mr. Rolly be writing that the tea party movement is a bunch of illeterates incapable of understanding the difference between vulgarity and eloquence? I doubt it given his profession. It is clear from the quote that Mr. Rolly does not agree with the tea party movement or the principles behind it but spare us the condescending comments.

George Pappas of PA 8:25AM April 07, 2010

Calling Gov. Herbert's decision to allow the tobacco tax to pass into law (he did not actually sign the bill) a "deal with the devil" is ridiculous coming from someone who is obviously removed from the practical reality of governance. The majority of Utahns are in favor of the decision, including Utah's very conservative legislature who was just trying to balance a budget that maintains public education at a per pupil rate that is among the lowest in the nation. Utah will continue to be one of the best managed states in the country, using technology and good management to keep unit costs for services as low as possible while addressing the demands of a fast growing population. Sometimes that requires a pragmatic approach. That is why effective leaders generally migrate toward the middle once they realize that they must be governor / or president of all the people, not of a radical fringe.

Dave of UT 10:54PM April 06, 2010

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david scott of CA 9:51PM April 06, 2010

So what if Bush was in office. Does logic tell you therefore recession was Bush’s fault. You call that logical ?

Crack that head of yours and let some sunshine in !

Video:

“Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

Bill Hedges of MO 7:46PM April 06, 2010

You lost all credibility when you wrote the Obama Recession -

How is this Obama's recession when it officially started in late 2007, Mr Roff?

That's a sleezy shot buddy. Wasn't you're buddy Bush in office when the recession started? Opps!

Wasn't it your buddy Bush who bailed out the banks? Opps!

Don't blame Obama because he was forced to issue the stimulus, remember your buddy Bush issued TWO stimuli during his terms.

Your damning the doctor for treating a hit-and-run patient. Shouldn't you damn the driver that caused the accident?

What school taught you this thought process? I want to keep my children far away.

LaVerne of WA 7:16PM April 06, 2010

Just a little misleading Jerry. Let me clarify:

“The first Reagan tax increase came in 1982. By then it was clear that the budget projections used to justify the 1981 tax cut were wildly optimistic. In response, Mr. Reagan agreed to a sharp rollback of corporate tax cuts, and a smaller rollback of individual income tax cuts. Over all, the 1982 tax increase undid about a third of the 1981 cut; as a share of G.D.P., the increase was substantially larger than Mr. Clinton's 1993 tax increase.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/opinion/the-great-taxer.html?pagewanted=1

There is still plenty of 1981 tax cut buddy...

Bill Hedges of MO 6:39PM April 06, 2010

Ronad Reagan produced the largest tax increase in American history in 1982 and he was re-elected.

Jerry Skurnik of NY 5:00PM April 06, 2010

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Peter Roff

Peter Roff

Peter Roff is a contributing editor at U.S. News & World Report. Formerly a senior political writer for United Press International, he’s now affiliated with several public policy organizations including Let Freedom Ring, and Frontiers of Freedom. His writing has appeared in National Review, Fox News’ opinion section, The Daily Caller, Politico and elsewhere. Follow him on Twitter @PeterRoff.

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