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The Case for More Republican Presidential Debates

December 16, 2011 RSS Feed Print

Republican debates, R.I.P. The last one before the primary season begins was held Thursday night, and I have to say that while I didn't watch every single one, I watched most of them and it was great fun.  They were entertaining for the most part, filled with all kinds of characters—both in the candidates and the interviewers—and the debates themselves certainly served a purpose. 

This year's debates helped voters go beyond 30 second ads and YouTube clips and, with the exception of that one "Twitter" debate, occasionally hear thoughtful responses to tough questions.  We saw a lot of humanity— Gov. Rick Perry's brain freeze, Herman Cain's humor, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich's "zany" side, former Gov. Mitt Romney's bet—and more than any other election year I can think of, we got to know these candidates as people.  The fact that we saw so many different frontrunners come and go is due in large part to how many debates we had and how closely people were watching them. 

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In fact, Erin McPike of RealClearPolitics documented recently that debate viewership has been growing as the primaries approach:

A Fox News debate in May drew 3.3 million viewers; in August, just prior to the Iowa Straw Poll, the network's second debate of the season attracted 5.1 million; and its third in September jumped again to 6.1 million. CNN boasted 3.2 million viewers for a June debate, followed by 3.6 million in September, and then improved upon that by nearly 2 million for the Las Vegas debate last month. NBC reached 5.4 million in September, and its sister cable network CNBC will host the outlet's second debate on Wednesday (at 8 p.m. from Rochester, Mich.). Compared to the primary debates four years ago, ratings are higher across the board.

While the numbers aren't out yet on viewership for last night's debate, Saturday's debate on ABC was No. 1 in the Nielsen ratings for that evening, with 7.6 million people watching.

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We have an extraordinarily engaged electorate right now. I believe it will stay that way through the election, because voters know—even more than the politicians do—that the stakes are very high for our country. They're enjoying the contest of ideas. People are concerned about the role the government and the free market are going to play in creating a better future for our children, and if there were more debates, the viewership would continue to climb.  

Some folks might disagree, but I say: let's have a few more debates. This may say something about the sorry state of my social life, but they were my idea of a good time.

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Melinda of IA_ I'll provide proof HOW WRONG YOU ARE...

There are “real candidates with real answers” on Republican side. Obuma came up with a “real answer” job bill and even Harry Reed voted against it. Like 24 “real answers” were passed by House and not brought to Senate but sits in Harry Reed's office. Democrats, IN CONTROL OF CONGRESS, failed to pass budget when due Oct. 1, 2010 because they have NO “REAL ANSWER”. We passed 24 bills and NO ACTION in Democrat controlled Senate.

There is no “real candidates with real answers” on Democrat side showing.

You call it “greedy 1%”. I'll say rich. Is a fact rich paid more taxes under John F. Kennedy, Reagan, Newt, and Bush tax cuts. Until Bill C. housing mess caused recession. Here is my proof:

Guess Who Really Pays the Taxes”

1. “Are income taxes fair?”

“That depends on who is offering the opinion. Democratic candidates for president certainly don’t think so. John Edwards has said, “It’s time to restore fairness to a tax code that has been driven badly out of whack.” Hillary Clinton laments that “middle-class and working families are paying a much higher percentage of their income [in taxes].” Over the past seven years, however, Americans in general think taxes have become more fair, not less. The Gallup Organization found in an April poll that 60 percent of respondents believe the income taxes that they themselves pay are fair, com­pared with 37 percent who believe the taxes they pay are unfair. In 1997, the figures were 51 percent fair and 43 percent unfair.”

2. “What income group pays the most federal income taxes today?

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul­dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.”

3.“But didn’t the Bush tax cuts favor the rich?”

“The New York Times reported recently that the average family in America with an income of $10 million or more received a half-million-dollar tax cut, while the middle class got crumbs (less than $100 shaved off their tax bill). If we examine the taxes paid in a static world—that is, if we assume that there was no change in behavior and economic performance as a result of the tax code—then these numbers are meaningful. Most of the tax cuts went to the super wealthy.”

“But Americans did respond to the tax cuts. There was more investment, more hiring by businesses, and a stronger stock market. When we compare the taxes paid under the old system with those paid after the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now actually paying a higher proportion of income taxes. The latest IRS data show an increase of more than $100 billion in tax payments from the wealthy by 2005 alone. The number of tax filers who claimed taxable income of more than $1 million increased from approximately 180,000 in 2003 to over 300,000 in 2005. The total taxes paid by these millionaire households rose by about 80 percent in two years, from $132 billion to $236 billion.”

4.“But haven’t the tax cuts put more of the burden on the backs of the middle class and the poor?”

“No. I examined the Treasury Department analysis of how much the rich would have paid without the Bush tax cuts and how much they actually did pay. The rich are now paying more than they would have paid, not less, after the Bush investment tax cuts. For example, the Treasury’s estimate was that the top 1 percent of earners would pay 31 percent of taxes if the Bush cuts did not go into effect; with the cuts, they actually paid 37 per­cent. Similarly, the share of the top 10 percent of earners was estimated at 63 percent without the cuts; they actually paid 68 percent.”

5.“What has happened to tax rates in America over the last several decades?”

“They’ve fallen. In the early 1960s, the highest marginal income tax rate was a stunning 91 percent. That top rate fell to 70 percent after the Kennedy-Johnson tax cuts and remained there until 1981. Then Ronald Reagan slashed it to 50 percent and ultimately to 28 percent after the 1986 Tax Reform Act. Although the federal tax rate fell by more than half, total tax receipts in the 1980s doubled from $517 billion in 1981 to $1,030 billion in 1990. The top tax rate rose slightly under George H. W. Bush and then moved to 39.6 percent under Bill Clinton. But under George W. Bush it fell again to 35 percent. So what’s striking is that, even as tax rates have fallen by half over the past quarter-century, taxes paid by the wealthy have increased. Lower tax rates have made the tax system more progressive, not less so. In 1980, for example, the top 5 percent of income earners paid only 37 percent of all income taxes. Today, the top 1 percent pay that proportion, and the top 5 percent pay a whopping 57 percent.”

6. “What is the economic logic behind these lower tax rates?

As legend has it, the famous “Laffer Curve” was first drawn by economist Arthur Laffer in 1974 on a cocktail napkin at a small dinner meeting attended by the late Wall Street Journal editor Robert Bartley and such high-powered policymakers as Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Laffer showed how two different rates—one high and one low—could produce the same revenues, since the higher rate would discourage work and investment. The Laffer Curve helped launch Reaganomics here at home and ignited a frenzy of tax cutting around the globe that continues to this day. It’s also one of the simplest concepts in economics: lowering the tax rate on production, work, investment, and risk-taking will spur more of these activities and will often produce more tax revenue rather than less. Since the Reagan tax cuts, the United States has created some 40 million new jobs—more than all of Europe and Japan combined.

7.Are lower tax rates responsi­ble for the big budget deficits of recent decades?”

“There is no correlation between tax rates and deficits in recent U.S. history. The spike in the federal deficit in the 1980s was caused by massive spending increases.”

“The Congressional Budget Office reports that, since the 2003 tax cuts, federal revenues have grown by $745 billion—the largest real increase in history over such a short time period. Individual and corporate income tax receipts have jumped by 30 percent in the two years since the tax cuts.”

8.“Do the rich pay more taxes because they are earning more of the income in America?”

“Yes. There’s no doubt that the share of total income earned by the wealthy has increased steadily over the past 25 years. Since 1980, the share of income earned by the richest 1 percent has more than doubled, from 9 percent to 19 percent. The share of the income going to the poorest income quintile has declined. Income disparities, in absolute dollars, have grown substantially.”

“What is significant is that for the top 5 percent and 10 percent of earners, the ratio of taxes paid compared with income earned has risen. For example, in 1980, the top 10 percent earned 32 percent of the income and paid 44 percent of the taxes—a ratio of 1.4. In 2004, this group earned more of the income (44 percent) but paid a lot more of the taxes (68 percent)—a ratio of 1.6. In other words, progressivity—in terms of share of total taxes paid—has risen. On the other hand, for the top 1 percent of earners, progressivity has declined from a ratio of 2.2 in 1980 to 1.9 in 2004.”

9.“Have gains by the rich come at the expense of a declining living standard for the middle class?”

“No. If Bill Gates suddenly took his tens of billions of dollars and moved to France, income distribution in America would temporarily appear more equitable, even though no one would be better off. Median family income in America between 1980 and 2004 grew by 17 percent. The middle class (defined as those between the 40th and the 60th percentiles of income) isn’t falling behind or “disappearing.” It is getting richer. The lower income bound for the middle class has risen by about $12,000 (after inflation) since 1967. The upper income bound for the middle class is now roughly $68,000—some $23,000 higher than in 1967. Thus, a family in the 60th percentile has 50 percent more buying power than 30 years ago. To paraphrase John F. Kennedy, this has been a “rising tide” expansion, with most (though not all) boats lifted.”

10.“Does the tax distribu­tion look a lot different if we factor in other federal taxes, such as the payroll tax?”

“It’s true that the distribution of taxes is somewhat more equally divided when payroll taxes are accounted for—but the change is surprisingly small. Payroll taxes of 15 percent are charged on the first dollar of income earned by a worker, and most of the tax is capped at an income of just below $100,000. The Tax Policy Center, run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, recently studied payroll and income taxes paid by each income group. The richest 1 percent pay 27.5 percent of the combined burden, the top 20 percent pay 72 percent, and the bottom 20 percent pay just 0.4 percent. One reason that the disparity in tax shares is so large is that Americans in the bottom quintile who have jobs get reimbursed for some or all of their 15 percent payroll tax through the earned-income tax credit (EITC), a fairly efficient poverty-abatement program.”

11.“How do tax rates in the United States compare with tax rates abroad?”

“Overall, taxes are between 10 percent and 20 percent lower in the United States than they are in most other industrial nations. This gives America a competitive edge in world markets. But America’s lead in low tax rates is shrinking. For example, the United States now has the second-highest corporate income tax in the developed world, after Japan. Our personal income tax rate is still low by historical standards. But in recent years many European and Pacific Rim nations have been slashing income taxes—there are now ten Eastern European nations with flat-tax rates between 12 percent and 25 percent—while the political pressure in Washington, D.C., is to raise them.”

12.“Do tax cuts on investment income, such as George W. Bush’s reductions in tax rates on capital gains and dividends, pri­marily benefit wealthy stockowners?”

“The New York Times reported that America’s millionaires raked in 43 percent of the investment tax cut benefits in 2003. It’s true that lower tax rates have been a huge boon to shareholders—but most of them are not rich. The latest polls show that 52 percent of Americans own stock and thus benefit directly from lower capital gains and dividend taxes. Reduced tax rates on dividends also triggered a huge jump in the number of companies paying out dividends. As the National Bureau of Economic Research put it, “The surge in regular dividend payments after the 2003 reform is unprecedented in recent years.” Dividend income is up nearly 50 percent since the 2003 tax cut.”

“The same phenomenon occurred with the capital gains tax, which is essentially a voluntary tax because asset owners can avoid it by simply holding onto their stock, home, or business. This “lock-in” effect, as it is called, can be economically inefficient, since owners have a tax incentive to keep poor investments, rather than drawing out the cash and putting it into assets that are more productive. When the capital gains tax is cut, people unlock their assets and reinvest in other enterprises.”

“The 1997 tax reform, passed under President Clinton, reduced the capital gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent, and taxable capital gains nearly doubled over the next three years. The 2003 reform brought the rate down to 15 percent, and between 2002 and 2005 there was a 154 percent increase in capital gains reported as income.”

“This explosion in realized gains cannot be explained only by the rise in the stock market, which averaged just 13 percent annually between 2003 and 2005. Capital gains tax receipts also far outpaced the revenues that the government’s static models predicted. Between 2003 and 2007, actual tax receipts exceeded expectations by $207 billion.”

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

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“Pelosi Caught In Major Lie- Says Bush Didn't Warn Congress About Financial Crisis… Records Show He Warned Congress 17 Times in 2008 Alone”

“Speaker Nancy Pelosi held a news conference last week and told reporters this:”

“During her weekly press conference on April 15, a reporter asked Pelosi a seemingly innocuous question about taxes. Pelosi prefaced her response with a fairly standard litany: explaining the dire state of the U.S. economy inherited by President Obama and setting the blame at the foot of the Bush administration. But she also added this: “When [then-Senator Obama] accepted the nomination in Colorado, the [Bush] Administration had kept from the public the idea that, in a matter of weeks, the financial community would be in crisis, and we would need to pass the TARP legislation.”

“The state-run media is trying to make something of this latest Pelosi fabrication today.”

But, what Speaker Pelosi failed to mention was that President Bush warned the Democratic Congress 17 times in 2008 alone about the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.”

“Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. “

"The White House released this list of attempts by President Bush to reform Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac since he took office in 2001.”

“Unfortunately, Congress did not act on the president’s warnings:”

** 2001

“April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”

** 2002

“May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02) “

** 2003

“January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years. “

“February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that “although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations,” “the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them.” As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. (“Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,” OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)”

“September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO’s review found earnings manipulations.”

“September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.”

“October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.”

“November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any “legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk.” To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have “broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards” and “receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)”

** 2004

“February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)”

“February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market's] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)”

“June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying “We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System.” (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)”

** 2005

“April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)”

** 2007

“July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.”

“August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)”

“September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.”

“September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.”

“December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying “These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I’ve called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon.” (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)”

** 2008

“January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.”

“January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.”

“February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says “A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully.” (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)”

“March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.”

“March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and “move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)”

“April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation

and “modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)”

“May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.”

“Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)”

“[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)”

“Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)”

“June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying “we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)”

“July: Congress heeds the President’s call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.”

“In 2005– Senator John McCain partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending.

Democrats blocked this reform, too.”

“More… Not only did democrats not act on these warnings but Barack Obama put one of the major Sub-Prime Slime players on his campaign as finance chairperson.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/05/pelosi-caught-in-major-lie-says-bush-didnt-warn-congress-about-financial-crisis-records-show-he-warned-congress-17-in-2008-alone/

Bill Hedges of MO 11:43PM December 18, 2011

I think there has been enough of this circus. If they want a real debate why don't they get real candidates with real answers to the job needs instead of upholding the greedy 1%.

Melinda of IA 2:51PM December 18, 2011

Reading the comments of my fellow conservative American brothers and sisters, it makes me sad to see that many of you are at the point of expressing your defeat to this "Closet Communist" in the White House. Is that what many of you want before the race has even started? I'm certain that's not what you want for you or your loved ones! Barack Hussein Obama may have fooled millions of Americans to vote for him through his sad stories of his past, or how he was deprived in his jobs because of who he was. And it worked! As a community organizer he had first hand as to how the less fortunate in the areas where he worked felt about the government, the the under paid workers, and the problems regarding employment and the lack of jobs throughout the United States. But most of all as a community organizer he knew how to agitate the people and work the system. And he also knew that there were millions of desperate Americans searching for a better life. And if he told enough lies and created stories about how they were being deprived by the wealthy, he could drive a wedge between the classes. Pushing the middle class and the poor to vote for him. And it worked!! Even millions of Americans who were prosperous before Obama became president, are probably at this moment out of work and may have lost everything they have worked so hard for. And can't believe the nightmare they and their families are going through right now. Millions of citizens of foreign countries for many decades long before our political problems had surfaced also believed the lies about class warfare told to them by their political leaders. For instance: Adolph Hitler, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Joseph Stalin, to name a few. The lies about how the rich try to influence politicians to control governments through favoritism and payoffs, thus upsetting the balance of a government and finally achieveing their goal, the vote of the people. Did George Washington and his struggling army give up against the thousands of experienced British soldiers, who tried to force the colonists into submission? No! Did Franklin Roosevelt in 1941 shrug his shoulders and blamed the United States for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, because he didn't want any international problems? No! And that's why all Americans regardless of your chosen party Conservative or whatever, must stand shoulder to shoulder in 2012 and show this Communist in OUR WHITE HOUSE that we won't believe any more of his lies, leading us towards Socialism and that he has a fight on his hands. Because this election is not how Americans feel about the lousy politicians that are running our country, it's about our children, out grandchildren, our future. But most of all, it's about the future of America and the way we live. And if Barack Obama is reelected, he will try to turn America into a Socialist/Communist country as he has promised to change our Constitution. VOTE OUT THE COMMIE ... BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA in 2012!!!

BORN AMERICAN of CA 8:01PM December 17, 2011

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