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No Bill, fundamentally it is the topic. I'm a little saddened that you don't see it.

R.L. Schaefer of CA 6:18PM December 13, 2010

That was the conversation. Your latest comment seems off topic. Not discussing inability of poor to get rich.

Which is fine I said my case.

Just because rich has much, does not negate ones ability to also earn much.

That ends my response on this...

Bill Hedges of MO 4:38PM December 13, 2010

I see, and hear, the whole complex picture. Societies must maintain a balancing act between security and freedom - recognizing that they are opposites. To gain more of one, a like amount of the other must be given up.

Societies and governments are dynamic - default settings must often be changed. Currently, both left and right are rigid in their ideology. This is a perilous situation for our nation, for now is the moment we need innovation, not dogmatic stagnation. I am not writing of compromise or the trading of political chess pieces. But rather of the necessity of both sides objectively recognizing what needs to be done and proceeding toward the common goal of a better America - as a team, not squabbling adversaries negotiating an armistice.

For the sake of the nation, both sides must become flexibly dynamic in this crisis - while recognizing that America's default settings can, and should be, constantly adjusted and reset within the general framework of our Constitution.

Will this happen? Not a chance.

R.L. Schaefer of CA 11:59AM December 13, 2010

The fact is our Country is not landlocked. This is not a company town. Not someone pulling the strings of your life. Not John Henry holding up. Are many Bill Gates now fulfilling the American Dream. In 1800’s to now.

Is easy to make excuses and lay back in the recliner. Blaming others for our predicament. Saying Big Bother limits our abilities. Being envious as well as angry. Stay in that rut and yes, you’re done for. No determination nor goal.

The masses will find a dead end job. Earn a check, raise a family, and live their life. Some happy wth station in life and some not. The few will innovate. Be more than the worker. Create the wealth like a Bill Gates who started life from meager beginning.

Few minds are changed on this site. Doubt I will change yours. Illegals come here to better themselves. Not content with their station in life back home. As much as I dislike the illegal actions, I admire their desire to improve their life.

You find your life is limited, then it is. You won’t struggle to succeed. Success is earned, is not a weekly paycheck. Some attend university while others invent. Every success story was somebody who found their personal path to their destiny.

To clarify, I am not putting down paychecks. Many work hard and make their hourly wage worth something to their employer. Repetitive motions on assembling lines has limited income. Not a highly productive wage. Little problem solving. Most can do that job with as little training. Higher demand for ones ability the better the wage.

My words are falling on dead ears. I had my say. I’ll leave you to your beliefs on this subject...

Bill Hedges of MO 8:13PM December 12, 2010

You wrote, "Just because rich has much, does not negate ones ability to also earn much."

I'll keep this simple - try playing Monopoly with a bunch of guys who start with all the money and you have none.... I wonder who will win.

Yesterday, David of ID, countered my suggestion of returning to the tax rates of 10 years ago for those making over 350k with a story of the 49ers heading west, building towns and panning for gold. The implication being that it's much easier now to become rich than in yesteryear.

Don't think so. First off, you try goin' "off-road" with a wagon and they'll lock you up for disturbing the native soil. Second, unless you're building a wind or solar farm I don't reckon you could get a permit to build anything on "free land". Furthermore, panning for gold has been outlawed most places because the Enviros say that the disturbed silt plugs up the native fishies gills (guess they never witnessed a spring run off - rivers and streams are brown with silt and mud). Hell, you can't even cut fire wood or have a fireplace these days - much less build a cabin without a mountain of permits, regulations and fees.

Things weren't all honky-dory in the old days in the cities either. You may want to check out the Homestead Steel Strike, The Matewan Massacre, and the Great Railroad Strikes of 1877 and 1886.

The struggle continues gentlemen, and like I said, maybe 20% of the population can be self employed or chief executives - the rest are wage slaves, and the wages aren't increasing at anywhere close to the rate of executive pay increases and bonuses.

We're in a tight - everyone needs to sacrifice and pitch in - or we may as well simply step aside and make room for China.

For further illumination I recommend Tennessee Ernie Ford's song of, "16 Tons" or reviewing "Robin Hood" and perhaps, "Citizen Kane".

R.L. Schaefer of CA 12:48PM December 12, 2010

My answer by your paragraph:

1. Just because rich has much, does not negate ones ability to also earn much. Bill Gates had no money and now, well, you know. This is not the 1800's and Bill Gates suceeded in this era,., as I said, “is in ones hands”.

2. As I noted in my writings today, our CEO are providing the best in the world to their companies. I encourage you to go to comment posted yesterday to get the whole story. The percentage of CEO pay to worker is immaterial. My first computer cost $$$ 1,000 with none much cheaper. Today the range is enormous as a unrelated example of complexity.

As to standard of living for worker, I do not recall that being part of your original discussion. Was of your view CEO received too much that I spoke to. Maybe for another day you will write a comment on that and see if I take issue to your comment. I take issue with little that you write.

3. I agree.

4. To vague for my response.

5. Nothing to respond to.

6. You “complain about CEO pay" often. Maybe you don’t like the language I used. Not much to say about that. Housing mess was Bill Clinton. Resulting Wall Street failure was paper bought by Wall Street of the bad home loans Clinton caused.

“as the glutted moguls screamed for more”. Come on. Go to another for response to that.

7. I am against barry’s politics.

8. I agree.

9. I agree with near all.

10. I am a Tea believer…

Bill Hedges of MO 4:44AM December 12, 2010

Bill, you say,"What one does is in their hands." That may have been true in 1800, but certainly not now. One could have an academic debate regarding the precepts of hard right, Libertarianism, but we live in a "real world" where 1 % control 50% of the wealth and 10% have about 80% of the money.

Everyone can't be a CEO or a brilliant entrepreneur - some need to be employees. Corporations have been stripping their employees of money and benefits for a long time. As I have mentioned, in 1960 top executives earned about 15 times more than their employees - now they earn 366 times what their employees earn. This disparity has forced nearly all middle class families to have few or no children, so both parents can work - hoping to maintain the same standard of living that one income once provided.

On the other extreme, you have government unions providing their employees with absurd salaries and benefits. The legacy costs are burying many states in debt.

A complete overhaul of our economic and regulatory system is needed. However, we lack the national will to do what must be done, and so we will continue our slide into ruin. There is absolutely no way to change it - it's too late.

Sorry, but there's no way to stick a happy face on this one.

Bill, in your current post you write, I like to "complain about CEO pay" . No I don't. I just want them taxed a little more, and I'd like it if they'd stopped screwing their employees - cutting hours, reducing benefits, dumping folks over 45, etc.. And note, this has been going on for 20 years. The middle class would have nearly disappeared if it weren't for two incomes per household and never ending home equity allowing them to keep their heads above water as the glutted moguls screamed for more. Now they've got "more" and many of the rest of the common people are broke and foreclosed upon.

We don't need Ayn Rand or Karl Marx. But, we do need another Teddy Roosevelt with a "trust busting, big stick" and a generous dollop of common sense. Unfortunately, we have Barack Obama.

Our nation is on the edge of total collapse - I can see that without watching Glenn Beck.

We're gonna need all the tools we can get our hands on to stop it; reduce the size of government at all levels, reduce regulation, get a real energy program - dump the "Green Dream", slash union legacy costs, cut all government salaries by 10%, infuse some common sense into ObamaCare, deport illegals, secure the border, incentivise companies to bring jobs back home, reduce the size of foreign commitments, and means test SSI and MediCare.

We can't go on spending what we don't have. It's sink or swim.

R.L. Schaefer of CA 8:45PM December 11, 2010

“Manufacturing Surprise: The U.S. Still Leads In Making Things”

By John Keefe | Jun 21, 2010

“IHS Global Insight, an economics consulting firm, has published a ranking of the manufacturing output of the leading economies, and to my surprise, the U.S. still manufactures more stuff than anyone else — $1.7 trillion in manufacturing value added in 2009, compared to $1.3 trillion from China.”

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/macro-view/manufacturing-surprise-the-us-still-leads-in-making-things/2134/

Most assuredly these days are numbered. Liberals need to take a long holiday.

With big brother liberals feeling sorry for the unproductive massive welfare roles, is time to do some growing up. Take the training wheels off and let them ride their bike unencumbered. The unemployed duty is not to take my tax dollar and spend to stimulate the economy, I can spend my money just fine thank you. I invest. If liberals want to stimulate, stop abortions. Child birth creates spending better than killing unborn.

“They (American worker) also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to an International Labour Organisation (ILO) report released Monday, which said the United States "leads the world in labour productivity".

“America's increased productivity "has to do with the ICT (information and communication technologies) revolution, with the way the U.S. organises companies, with the high level of competition in the country, with the extension of trade and investment abroad," said Jose Manuel Salazar, the ILO's head of employment.”

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070904/business/business4.html

While R.L. Schaefer of CA likes to complain about the wages of CEO’s, our system has made us # 1 in the world.

Liberals want to redistribute the wealth, taking away the tools of our greatness. Those tools create jobs. You think a northern wind creates them….

Bill Hedges of MO 7:36PM December 11, 2010

Might be good to review Econ -101. Productive jobs can not be created by government. Government can only transfer funds from the private sector to the public sector - with a large percentage of the wealth lost in the process through government graft, pork-pie and inefficiency.

America has spent decades destroying its manufacturing base through "out sourcing", regulation, crazy union demands/legacy benefits and taxation. We have become a nation of paper shufflers that imports most of its basic needs; energy, food and raw materials.

Corporate bean counters are cutting employee hours and slashing benefits to pump up stock prices, as well as executive pay and bonuses. In 1960 executive pay was approximately 16 times more than the average employee's - now it's 366 times the average wage. Yeah, I think they can afford to have their taxes raised, at least back to 2000 levels.

Environmentalist theology has made every human endeavor more time consuming and expensive. Industry and businesses have moved to countries where the Environmentalist religion hasn't yet taken full control - as it has here in the U.S..

For 40 years our schools have emphasized "white collar" jobs - "blue collar" jobs were referred to contemptuously by school counselors and administrators as, "dead end", "unfulfilling", "unskilled" and "going nowhere" jobs. I recall a high school counselor referring to my father's job as a machinist as a, "...meaningless job - a road to nowhere.". Well, the intellectual bigots have gotten their way - all those "dirty" jobs are gone. But can a nation survive shuffling papers and pecking at keyboards?

Corporate greed, government regulation/taxation, lack of character and self discipline, Environmentalist dogma, and educational/vocational bigotry have transformed America, in just 40 years, from the industrial giant of the world to a country that can't provide the basic necessities of life for its people or even control its borders.

I don't believe there is any way back - We lack the personal and national will to make the necessary sacrifices.

R.L. Schaefer of CA 12:45PM December 11, 2010

Nov. debt was largest in our Nation's history for Nov..

barry will go down in history for debt. So will Nov. 2 whiplash from barry's economic antics.

Republicans noted for saying N o. Was correct thing to do...

Bill Hedges of MO 12:03AM December 11, 2010

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