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Lobbyist Healthcare Talking Points Non-Scandal Shows Reform is Too Much, Too Fast

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To anybody that says mantra "you are just cold I would glady pay a little extra so people can have health care" you are a self rightous pompous hypocrite A-hole! Why havenb't you been donating to charities all along? There have been orginazations and local sponsers for people needing help to pay thier medical bills for years now. Why is it that now you want to do it hen it might be mandated? Is it so nobody can tell you didn't do anything earlier when you had a chance to save a child or mother of 4. Why is it now that you all of sudden have compasion for the uninsured? Is it because you are simply ignorant to the attrocities of the health care industry? Is it because they make a profit? Is it because you are easily swayed into feeling compassion for people undeserving of it? Really I want to know, why now do you feel better than me because I don't want this current Bill for our Health Care Reform Package?

Ymerej of SC 4:49PM November 17, 2009

Sure we have tax-payer funded roads, libraries, schools, garbage pick-up & more things of that nature. I am not saying all socialized programs are bad, but I refuse to say that all Socialized programs are good. I get the feeling that people think all programs are good or have been good. The problem is The Post Office is laying people off left and right. If our hospitals turn into the 'polite and curtious' service I receive at the DMV everything will be ok, huh? Welfare was designed as a temporary solution till you were able to get back on your feet. However, we now have families who have been receiving Welfare well into thier 3rd and 4th Generation. The fact that our government either cannot detect fraud or just refuse that people are deceitful is enough for me not to trust our government to run the health care industry, Hell they couldn't even regulate it. Here's another problem I have with the current path to Health-Care Reform. The whole reason for needing reform in the first place was to curb the rising costs. Well, why aren't they doing anything about that in the Bill. If Public Option is going to bring down the cost Health Care alone by breeding competition, then why not start by letting insurance companies compete across state lines? There's your competition right there.
Personally, to me, because no where in the bill that I see to I see anything that directly relates to reason costs are so high. Like TORT Reform, No one can deny how much waste (unneccesary tests, high cost of malpractice insurance) is evident there. Our Illegal Immagration problem, Yet again our current law of providing treatment to anybody and everybody who shows up there, is a huge factor in the rising costs (By the way I am in no way saying that law is a bad idea, just saying coupled with unforced immagration laws it is a huge factor in the escalting costs.) Since these issues aren't being pressed and the only one that is, is a Public-Option leaves me a little weary of thier (The Current Administration) intentions. Common Sense tells me they want to control it across the board, or lobbying behind the scenes is controlling this entire show. Either way I would still prefer to modify the existing system first before I agree to jump on board with Disasterous Bill.
To anyone who thinks that this is a Democrat or a Republican Issue hear this. YOU ARE THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS PROBLEM! people need to start doing thier own research instead of waiting to hear what some talk show host says (This means you too Maddow/Olberman Follwers, not just Back and Hannity Followers) Until people start to think about the situation as it suits them personally (not about the supposed gigantic number of uninsured, but them personally) we will continue to fight amongst ourselves.

Ymerej of SC 4:41PM November 17, 2009

I thought we were in the same camp. I appreciate the "kid", but I'll be 48 in December. Look, I hate to split hairs here, but I've consulted the rule book, and I'm sorry, but you really can't use that analogy. Look it up. Hey, even if you were referring to the "health care system" in your analogy, you don't have access to ANY health care system, as you have been denied care, which, by the way, I think is terrible. (See? I'm on your side.) So your comparison of swapping your existing health program/car (which, by your own admission, you do not have) for a public option/car (again, you choose it or not) is simply not analogous. Your reasoning is inherently faulty. Sorry. This doesn't mean you can't use any analogy though. You could use an analogy of, say, someone dying of snakebite but refusing to take the antidote because you heard a radio pundit say that the person offering it to you was a socialist. And that the snake-bit person goes around posting on websites urging other people bitten by poisonous snakes to not take antidotes because who knows what the side effects would be, including maybe turning into a socialist. That would work. And it would totally fit your situation. Try it.
Uh... you're saying I'm confusing? "But maybe you believe Fox News cloned Obama and Pelosi and then forced the clones to do their bidding." Sorry, but I don't think US News has a Non-Sequitor of The Week award. But thanks for playing.
But boy, you called it! If we become like every other first-world nation and start providing health care to every citizen, then the grim specter of Socialism would appear, and boom!, before you know it, we'd have socialized mail service, and socialized public libraries and socialized schools and an armed forces and garbage collection and all KINDS of socialized programs and services all OVER the country. Well, I'm with you, no thanks, Comrade! Oh, wait.
And yeah, surprise! While you may like to talk about and practice "rubbing" in other contexts, you paraphrase Shakespeare with your "there's the rub" line. That's his line and there is nothing you can do about it. But you say you didn't know, and I take your word as a gentleman. All this time you've been quoting Shakespeare without having the first notion that you were doing it. That's okay, Shakespeare coined tons of new words and phrases and apparently you had one in your pocket for years without knowing it! Bonus, right? Be smart, though, and take credit for knowing the source material-- makes you look educated, and chicks dig it.
I hope you can get health care, R.L., since the insurance companies won't let you have it. Remember, if health care reform passes, they will no longer be able to refuse to ensure you. Or you can turn down the public option, if you want, and choose to pay more with a private insurer. But you'll have a choice. And right now? By your own admission, you have no choice at all. Disagree? Then attack my arguments. Like grown-ups do. Kid.

Robert Bundy of WI 12:15AM November 17, 2009

Good article. Good points. Good reason to get rid of paid lobbyists.

Katherine of IN 11:15PM November 16, 2009

Time to clean house. I don't mind liberals borrowing talking points. But not from corporations and not the same darn ones borrowed by Republicans. Worthless jerks---or worse.

Muser of NM 11:08PM November 16, 2009

Your post is so confusing.... I'm gettin' a headache, and I can't afford to go to the doctor.
By the way - my analogy referred to the "health care system" - not my personal situation - so, in fact, I can use it.
You twist words and logic. The result is more like a sideshow hawker than witty discourse. Have you considered that perhaps there is a way to tweak the current system without demanding socialized medicine under government control. The public option will ultimately lead there. Obama and the Dems have gleefully admitted that it would - I have seen the video. But maybe you believe Fox News cloned Obama and Pelosi and then forced the clones to do their bidding.
Furthermore, one may use the word "rub" and not be quoting Shakespeare - maybe I like arcane words.
Now, go away kid - you bother me.

R.L. Schaefer of CA 9:06PM November 16, 2009

Exactly! See, this is what I'm saying. I agree with R.L.: no health care at all is better than potentially flawed health care. Like he says, "it's kinda like driving your 'ol junker..." Well, actually, since R.L. is denied coverage for a pre-existing condition, he can't use his own analogy, as it implies that he has some form of coverage to "drive in". But let's pretend for the sake of argument that R.L. didn't get caught being sick by the insurance companies and that he has some sort of policy to provide care for he and his family. So, where were we? Oh, right, "it's kinda like driving your 'ol junker into a auto-junkyard and tradin' your car and a wad of cash to the junkyard owner for one of his wrecks." Or not, since under the proposed plans, you are welcome to keep your current policy if you want. Let's just bring it on home for him, "So you take a look at the 'ol junkyard cars, and you figger you like the one you drove in, so you drive home. Or you trade for the car made by the people you dislike personally. And maybe you change your mind later and trade back, which you'd be allowed to do." Too many choices breed confusion! Better to have no health care at all, and no remedy, than be subjected to a world of imperfect solutions. As R.L. says, "Ay, there's the rub" quoting Hamlet at the moment when he famously cannot make up his mind when confronted by life and death choices. God, I love all of this consensus forming!

Robert Bundy of WI 5:45PM November 16, 2009

because of a pre-existing condition. Do I think the current systems is fair? Heck no. But do I think a government system is better? I don't know, but since Pelosi, Reed, Shummer, Franken, Boxer etc.. are behind it - well, I sorta doubt it.
It's kinda like driving your ol' junker into a auto-junkyard and tradin' your car and a wad of cash to the junkyard owner for one of his wrecks... You drove yours in - but will you be able to drive his out? And there's the rub.

R.L. Schaefer of CA 3:47PM November 16, 2009

Bravo! Well-said! Let's all just simmer down and hold our horses for a minute. Why the big rush? We've waited this long, what's a few more months, or years even? Heck, I'll answer my own question, just to eat up a few more minutes with dialogue (ain't I a dickens?) Oh, sure, a new study was released in September that found that 45,000 people die each year due to lack of health insurance, but c'mon, it was from Harvard Medical School-- what do those eggheads know? I'm supposed to be in a hurry just because someone dies in this country from lack of health care every twelve minutes or so? And sure, the Patriot Act was signed into law without most lawmakers reading it, but that's different, people's lives were at stake and we had to act quickly, remember? Geez, take a deep breath, gang! I think those of us that don't happen to be sick at the moment need to be the calming voices of reason to these Chicken Littles who want us to rush into caring for the sick when there are bigger fish to fry. So slow down everybody! The fact that language that lawmakers agreed with was not paraphrased to come off like original thought when it was presented PROVES that health care changes can wait indefinitely. And-- yeah, yeah-- in the time it took me to write this someone else died from lack of health care, but it's probably no one I know, so let's try to stay focused!

Robert Bundy of WI 3:04PM November 16, 2009