Should Public Workers Keep Collective Bargaining Rights?

March 9, 2011 RSS Feed Print

David Madland argued that collective bargaining should be a right available to all workers. But Andrew Biggs said that public sector workers must be reined in. A sampling of your views:

How is this to balance the budget? I can see raising the sales tax or reducing tax breaks doing so, but how does eliminating collective bargaining reduce the deficit? If you want to bust the union, fine, let us do that; if you want to reduce the deficit, fine, let us do that. But why mix the two? It just confuses the situation.

JOEY BROCKERT Madison, Wis.

[Wisconsin Gov. Scott] Walker is right. Why should public unions get to lobby with taxpayers' money? It's a shame that so many public workers would rather be unemployed than be earning a living. Average teacher salary (pre-benefits) in Wisconsin is around $48,000 annually for 190 workdays. Where in the private sector can a working-class citizen make that while working so few days? Stay strong, Walker!

CODY ARENDT Plover, Wis.

The attack on unions is a continuation of the conservative drive to enrich the rich at the expense of working people. In Wisconsin, I understand the governor passed some tax cuts for business and wants public workers to pay. In less developed countries, the policies of enriching the powerful is called "corruption." In America, it is called "capitalism." [See photos of the Wisconsin protests.]

KENNETH VISTE Boise, Idaho

As a retired federal civil servant, I note that these workers are now referred to as "public employees" or "public sector employees." I can't help but think that this is a further attempt of the left to hide the fact that they are supposed to be civil servants working for the good of the public and not just other employees who happen to work for the government. It must be remembered that regardless of what they are called, it is the taxpayers, including me, that pay their salaries and benefits, and for whom they are supposed to be working. We should go back to referring to them as civil servants, and there simply is no justification for public sector unions.

RONALD SMITH Williamsburg, Va.

If we are going to take bargaining rights away from average people, then we need to make lobbyist activities illegal. That would be an equal trade-off. I bet we could raise taxes/plug loopholes for billionaires then.

DEBBIE ESCHMANN Arlington, Va.

Whenever there are more than four tiers of management in a company or institution, it is necessary for the frontline workers to have independent representatives to bargain for their needs. Therefore, in the government bureaucracy, such union bargaining is needed if we want to keep people from being alienated and disaffected in their work.

H.D. URIEL SMITH Lexington, Ky.

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What matters here is WI is broke like federal government. They in $$$trillions. WI in $$$ billions. Cuts must be made. System in existence is broken & must be fixed to help cure debt.

"Serf" is a ridiculous concept to throw into this. Jimmy Carter changed federal workers work status. Today, federal employees have good pay, working condition, job security, benefits, & wages. "Serf" ? By NO stretch of the imagination. Inability to strike ? Absolutely !!! Known when hired...

You mention Reagan and his firing of Air Traffic Controllers. Ronald said:

“Let me make one thing plain. I respect the right of workers in the private sector to strike. Indeed, as president of my own union, I led the first strike ever called by that union. I guess I'm maybe the first one to ever hold this office who is a lifetime member of an AFL - CIO union. But we cannot compare labor-management relations in the private sector with government. Government cannot close down the assembly line. It has to provide without interruption the protective services which are government's reason for being.”

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan%27s_ultimatum_to_striking_air_traffic_controllers

You call this:

“we continue to see the erosion of the hard won corporate managment concessions gained over fifty years. Once EVERY worker is reduced to "serf" and "indentured servant" status again the cycle will begin all over. ”

Then I say more of it. Private unions can close GM plants. Economy not shut down and lives NOT Loss. Government IS NOT “COPERATE MANAGEMENT”. We can not have police, fire, health, etc. on strike. You wish to call WI union busting, then, do it. Doesn’t make it true.

You say “Once EVERY worker is reduced to "serf" and "indentured servant" status”. I say stupid statement and far from truth...

Bill Hedges of MO 10:43PM March 11, 2011

Unions were organized out of the abuse of workers during the early period of the industrial revolution. Now we are well along that path first blazed by Ronald Regan when he busted the air controllers union in the early 80's, and we continue to see the erosion of the hard won corporate managment concessions gained over fifty years. Once EVERY worker is reduced to "serf" and "indentured servant" status again the cycle will begin all over.

So you work for yourself and you haven't had a vacation in three years, and you can't afford to purchase health insurance, and you have to borrow money to pay your credit cards...maybe whatever you're selling has no market? Or, you're just a lousy manager? How does that justify your reasoning that workers should not have a voice?

As for me, I will now boycott Wisconson goods and refuse to visit from Texas until this illigal and immoral act has been repealed.

Robin Lewis of TX 5:39AM March 11, 2011

Be thankful for public sector workers (or servants). And be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Oops. You just did. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face. And you will regret it.

[Preface fact: The top 400 richest people in America have more money than bottom half or %50 of Americans' income combined. - Think about that. And teachers and garbage collectors are the greedy?]

Be mindful: You get for what you pay for. You have a right to decide what is important to you and how much you're willing to pay for it. If you want it on the cheap, with a top down management and decision making style, don't be surprised if professionals don't want to work for you.

I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would go to college for 4 years to become a teacher for your child to get paid 20% less than their private sector counter parts - and - be so disrespected and regarded as a "dirt beneath your feet" servant.

Unions protect public sector workers from the whimsy and corruption of politicians, set standard of work conditions for private sector (the low bar), and unions created the 40 work week, 8/hour day, the concept of week-ends, sick pay, health insurance, disability insurance. When they (the unions) go, the bar will be lowered for private sector workers.

Exactly how much do you pay in State taxes, and what do you get for the taxes you pay?

-Free public education for your children with quality teachers.

-Fire fighters who

-Police force

-Court system and employees like judges

-Garbage collecftion

-Prison/Corrections workers

-People who plow the interstate so you can go to work.

-State parks and municipal playgrounds and pools

-Nurses and on and on

FINAL NOTE

WHAT IS COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED? CLASS SIZE is collectively bargained with unions. Michigan just CHANGED THE MAXIMUM CLASS SIZE FROM 35 TO 60. They can fire almost 50% of their teachers and save a lot of money. Is that what you want for your children, your state, your country?

Margaret of MA 8:59AM March 10, 2011

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