Cap and Trade Cost Concerns

July 8, 2009 RSS Feed Print

Everyone keeps griping about how much the cap and trade will cost Americans ["Numbers Adding Up Against Obama's "Cap and Trade" Bill in the Senate," usnews.com]. However, a cap and trade system is capable of making the tax anywhere from $1 to $10,000. The tax is determined by where the "cap" is set. Consequently, the cap and trade system can be tweaked on the fly to balance the cost benefit equation. Obviously a per person cost of $10,000 per year would kill the economy and a $1 cost would not. The cap and trade system just puts a mechanism in place to tax energy. More importantly, where does the tax money go? The government doesn't collect the money. The money is shifted between private companies. Companies that generate new technologies to reduce our dependence on traditional energy sources will benefit whereas phlegmatic companies will suffer. Jobs will be lost at companies that don't innovate and jobs will be created at companies that do innovate. How's that a bad thing?

Comment by Andrew of UT

I have traveled to enough Third World countries to know that the United States is not the major contributor to carbon emissions. Right here in our own hemisphere, many Latin American countries purchase aging school buses from Miami and use them as their intra-city public transportation. The noxious emissions from those open exhaust pipes choke the population with billowing clouds of pollutants, continuously. Those responsible for the most egregious emissions aren't participating. What little we do to support this ridiculous effort will be mitigated by regions that ignore even the most basic anti-pollution efforts. It's just another way to enforce a regressive tax on the already thinning American pocketbook.

Comment by MA Lone of IL

The American people have to stop letting politicians and bureaucrats off the hook when they support legislation that damages the economy, and that robs them of their freedom. Look at California. The people have looked the other way for decades, and our "leaders" have been so inept, and so corrupt, that it may take decades for us to truly recover, and now our national government is trying to do exactly the same thing. Anyone who participates in these new policies should be ousted. If the people have to suffer, so should the politicians who caused the suffering and losses.

Comment by Eric Robinson of CA

Everyone seems to be focused solely on the current cost of reducing CO2 emissions. There is also a cost associated with doing nothing. The key differences being: the cost of doing nothing now could easily be eclipsed by trying to deal with the issue 10 or 20 years from now, and that the cost of delay will be borne by others.

Comment by Dennis of AR

I keep hearing from voters that this is about cleaning up the environment. Actually it represents a major short-term boost to the global economy, just as the "tech" bubble had once done for Bill Clinton. In terms of international trade it is the ultimate money laundering scheme—enabling yet another unregulated multibillion-dollar market that corporate officers may use to generate personal short-term financial advantages. This—not the uncollectible new taxes—is what threatens the United States the most. The buy-in is Obama's plan to show you how many new jobs this will create ... jobs which will flee this country.

Comment by TS Gordon of AR

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uknapkins of AL 6:40AM August 22, 2009

The only way this would be effective is if CHINA AND INDIA PARTICPATE AND THEY WON'T - SO IT DOES NOT EQUATE TO HAVING A CHANCE OF WORKING- IT IS A BIG PILE OF STINKY SMELLING DOG CRAP-

ALL FOR THE SAKE OF TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION !! DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOLKS ITS ALL OVER THE WEB- EVEN ROLLING STONE ARTICLE HE GETS IT- ARTICLE 304- WILL STEAL ANY EQUITY YOU HAVE IN YOUR HOME- {IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A HOME OR GOD FORBID ACTUALLY HAVE EQUITY-)BECAUSE YOU'LL BE SPENDING MONEY TO CONFORM TO THERE NEW GUIDELINES- IF YOU SELL IT - IT HAS TO BE UP TO CODE- THERE CODE AND THEY CAN COME AND INSPECT YOUR HOME AS IF IT WAS THERES- LIKE GOVT. CONTROLS LIKE YOUR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY JUST AS FAST AS YOUR MONEY- ? READ HOW MUCH AL GORE HAS MADE WITH HIS SPEECHES AND NEW GREEN COMPANY - DOES HE WALK THE WALK ??????? NO......HE IS STILL BEING CARTED AROUND IN BIG SUV'S AND FLYING AROUND BIG GIANT CARBON FOOTPRINTS WITH HIS PRIVATE PLANE- IT IS OBSENSE WHAT YOU DON'T SEE WATCHING THE PROPAGANDA TV- WATCH FOX NEWS - OREILLY - HANNITY GO ONLINE AND RESEARCH - THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE- BUT IT WILL MAKE YOUR BLOOD BOIL- THE GOVT. IS TRYING TO TAKE ALLL YOUR RIGHTS AWAY WITH THERE LIB./MARX IDEAS- CHECK OUT THE DAMAGE THERE BUDDY SOROS WHO HAD BANKROLLED HILLARY AND BARACK IN OTHER COUNTRIES - THAT IS EXACTLY WANT HE WANTS TO DO HERE SO HE CAN MAKE ANOTHER COUPLE BILLION - HE RUNS A SHELL GAME JUST LIKE ACORN AND INVESTS IN GE (OBAMALAND) TV ADS IMA-A-NATION- HOW BOUT THIS IMAGA NOT HAVE YOUR CONST. RIGHTS- BEING TOLD WHAT KIND OF CAR TO DRIVE - RATIONED HEALTHCARE - LOTTERY FOR A DR.(IF YOU GET ONE) THAT IS WHAT THEY DO IN CANADA - YES IT IS WATCH JOHN STOSSEL THIS WEEK- YOU GET BETTER TREAMENT IF YOU ARE A DOG IN CANADA - THAT IS WHY SO MANY COME HERE - I WORK WITH TRANSPLANTS FROM CANADA AND GERMANY - THEY DO NOT LIKE WHAT THEY SEE HAPPENING - FAILED IDEAS - GOVT. TAKEOVER IT'S SICK

JANET of AZ 3:31PM July 17, 2009

Even ten years ago, if I had suggested that the majority party’s proposed bill would be withheld from the minority party two hours from the vote — and then one copy was grudgingly provided, to be shared by all 435 Representatives , you would have looked at me like I was a crazy person…….

Well that’s exactly what happened two weeks ago Friday when Congress voted on and passed the infamous HR 2454 Cap and Trade/Carbon Emissions Bill. Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay. A little after 3 am on that very same day a 300 page amendment was added to the original 900+ pages. This is the longest suicide note in history and will further hasten our downward economic spiral. The Senate looks to debate it this Fall where it will likely get nowhere. Friday’s vote may have been a gift to the POTUS for the upcoming UN meeting knowing there’s little chance of it getting thru the Senate. Before Friday’s vote I made my feelings known to our Democratic Congressman. I see he voted No but I’ve no idea what his real motivation was. Some that voted Yes received calls 20:1 urging a No vote and they still voted Yes.

This is about more than just higher electricity rates. It’s a massive redistribution of wealth, further limits our freedoms all under the guise of reducing an essential trace greenhouse gas, and does next to nil for energy independence. This Manmade Global Warming/Climate Change House Of Cards is tumbling down. Every week more and more new contrary evidence is seeing the light of day. The Mainstream Media won’t report it, but this vital information is getting out to those that want honest debate on this important issue.

Looking past the Senate this Fall we have the December Copenhagen UN meeting on a new Global Warming Treaty. Remember the Kyoto Treaty? Well you ain’t seen nothing yet. I shudder to think what the U.S. delegation would love to commit us to for years or decades forward. Lastly there’s the EPA waiting in the wings to regulate all things CO2. Recently a leaked string of internal EPA e-mails detailed suppression of evidence that undermines the CO2 argument. Many derided the career EPA employee as not being a climatologist. Well Mr. Carlin has a physics degree. Al Gore is no climatologist or scientist but he’s allowed to testify before Congress on this issue. Madness!

Remember Friday’s vote, because if this horror show is implemented on the American public it will blow up in our face as it has in every country this has been tried. At what cost in dollars and individual freedoms? Mark your calendar in RED, because that is the path we are heading toward. Contact your Senators and ask them if they’re prepared to defend a Yes vote for this misguided Bill. Let them know a NO Vote will ensure your support next election cycle.

metnav 12:02AM July 10, 2009

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