Prop 8 Controversy Continues

November 19, 2008 RSS Feed Print

The major problem I see with this push to the courts is that it comes AFTER the vote ["Same-Sex Marriage Likely Headed to Courts in California," usnews.com]. If the whole idea of the vote was wrong, then why not challenge the process BEFORE it came to vote? In addition, I don't agree with demonstrations and threats of vandalism or violence in the first place. The whole thing seems like a sore loser's reaction to me. If you really are trying to encourage acceptance and equal rights, why act like 5 year olds who lost a game of kickball? Pick yourselves up and move on. Better yet, challenge the rules of the game before you start playing or at least during the game and not after.

Comment by Sebastian Patterson of AZ

Religion is separate from government for a reason. The framers of the Constitution did not want to have religion overseeing government authority. This becomes evident when the [state] Supreme Court overturned the ban on gay marriage, and they went around the ruling by putting it on the ballot. Our government cannot let this stand. It is disrespectful to the decisions they make on behalf of the Constitution. If I were the judges on the Supreme Court, I would be very concerned.

Comment by Cindy Souza of CA

Gay marriage proponents need to actually try using the democratic process the way it should be by winning the support of the public and going through the legislative process instead of continually trying to manipulate matters through the courts.

Comment by Scott of MN

The passage of Prop 8 has completely reinvigorated the movement. There have been setbacks, but for the most part progress. Try to name even one similar rights movement for a protected minority of citizens that was halted and retreated into dissolution. It has never happened. So it's just a matter of time. I point this out in the hope that more people will realize: You don't have to like or understand or approve of homosexuality—no one is asking you to—but you can either spend your time, energy, and money fighting something inevitable . . . or fighting something that makes a difference like poverty, homelessness, disease, child neglect, or environmental concerns. Personally, I can't imagine what would drive anyone to find glory in fighting loving couples of consenting adults who are doing nothing illegal, who are happy, and who are supporting and contributing to society.

Comment by Anton of CA

The majority have spoken—YES to Prop 8. Hence, the issue has finally ended. There is no more reason for us to tackle this already resolved issue. The only thing we should do is to respect and abide by it. Let us move on.

Comment by Manuel Reyes of CA

This is not just about redefining words. It is about depriving a minority group of American citizens of basic rights that are enjoyed by the majority. If the minority in question were blacks or Jews then everyone would agree that this proposition is unjust and contrary to the principles of American democracy. This is a clear instance of the "tyranny of the majority," which the founders of our nation rightly feared.

Comment by Herb of IL

It's basic: Marriage is a religious concept and does not belong in our constitutional laws. Marriage is between you and your God. If we the people want to legislate that two people can form a contract for tax purposes or house holding--that's one thing. But legislating our religious beliefs on others is fundamentally discriminatory. Bigoted is the stronger word. I'm Catholic; I don't believe in marriage for people of the same sex in my religion. But I also don't believe that my religious beliefs should be made into law, nor do I believe that same-sex couples should be unable to marry or create contracts for tax or cohabitation purposes. It's simply none of my business.

Comment by Michael of CA

There is a very good reason why the challenge in the court is coming now, after the vote. Our side did present our case to the court before. The court turned us away, stating that they didn't want to get involved unless it was necessary, and at that time it was not necessary. For all they knew, the vote would happen and we'd all be done. I think it is commendable that the court chose not to intervene earlier. The process was working itself out. NOW is the time for the court, so now is when we are re-approaching them.

Comment by Dale of CA

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People's civil rights aren't up for popular vote like the freakin' senior prom folks. They are ALWAYS decided by the courts. Because we as a socitey can NOT be trusted to do what is fair and just. We've never been able to. Just ask any non-White in the US. They will probably agree.

Denying 1 group rights afforded to others is WORNG.

You ALL know that already.

Just because you've all agreed that it's OK in this instance simply because it is against Gays and Lesbians only casts the glaring, un-Godlike light of discrimination and bigotry right into the faces of those who support inequality, yet claim to have God in their hearts. You don't. Not even close. And you know it.

In the end, Gays and Lesbians will win.

You ALL know that, too.

YOU lost. Not Gays and Lesbians. You anti-gay folks are guaranteeing that even as we post. But most of you are too blinded by ignorance or religion to even see and understand that YOU are actually HELPING our fight for equality with each and every vulgar, degrading comment you make and with each law you try and pass AGAINST FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. What, dear Heterosexuals, is God-like about that? It's dispicable, and you WILL one day answer to God for your absoltely CRIMINAL behavor and violence against Gays. And what will you say to God? That you abused, degraded, humiliated, lynched and murdered Gays and Lesbians to HONOR him? I think it's time to get real, folks.

But hey, thanks for outing yourselves. It's quite laugable that bigots actually think that they have power over another human being's civil rights. Laughable. What a bunch of fools.

Do NOT expect an invitation to my big gay wedding in June after the Supreme Court rules, once again, that you evil bigots have NO say in another's civil rights.

How many times do YOU PEOPLE need to hear it? Your stupid-ass quotes of 'The People Have Spoken' makes you look uneducated, as most anti-gay people are. THE SUPREME COURT has spoken, bigots. It's already OVER. You're causing yourself so much grief over this when, in the end, you know we've won our marraige rights already.

Rest assured, this will NEVER be up for your votes again. For you have proven yourselves unworthy of having ANY sort of input.

Why don't you try and do some GOOD in the world instead of destroying it?

Chris of CA 2:29PM February 20, 2009

As an even wiser black man once said: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Does no one in the comment thread follow modern science? Genetic links to homosexuality have been discovered and discussed. Please - join the discussion.

Or, heck - of you just want simple proof - answer me this (assuming you know gay people and therefore have some personal experience with the topic you claim to understand fully). Why would anyone - by choice - willingly subject himself to the hate, intolerance and potential violence of a society unwilling to accept him? That just makes no sense.

Furthermore, equating a homosexual to a pedophile is just hateful and disgusting.

Carrie of CA 7:04PM November 23, 2008

...but my how that majority has decreased! 8 years ago, Prop 22 passed with a 23% majority. This year, Prop 8 only passed with little more than a 4% majority. That's a drastic increase in understanding, acceptance and tolerance in just a few short years.

Fear is a strong motivator, and this year, unfortunately, because of the fallacious campaign run by the "Yes on 8," team, fear prevailed over what had been a trend towards reason supported by education.

This fight continues because the Proposition never received the 2/3 necessary vote before it went to ballot. The "No on 8" protesters are not sore losers - they are trying to correct an unethical wrong fueled by out-of-state special interests. The fight continues because it is illegal to propose anything that would drastically change the underlying principle of our state's Constitution the way Prop 8 did. The fight continues because the ideology of the majority has changed drastically and continues to change as we speak. Civil Rights - equal protection under the law - these are things granted by legislators, not popular thought. As our tainted social history shows, popular thought is not always righteous - or moral.

Carrie of CA 6:51PM November 23, 2008

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