Collective Bargaining Rights for Public Sector Unions?

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Like with Robert of VT, you insult. I see myself as a exorcist. Casting out your demons you have brought to this discussion, being insults as major counterpoint. You are a low grade demon, your power of insult are rudimentary. Perhaps you are a high school teacher, who keeps her job through union tenure protection. You must be apprehensive of new Walker law now flourishing in WI will bloom into MI. I may be able to alleviate your discontent, expect time will be far off for MI, a even stronger union State.
You wrote “And Your Point Is?”. I made his point. Proven by your irritation , need to insult him & me.
Further , outlandish accusation of my “anger problem”. Your conclusion of not “therefore, get an get an "A+" ” is illogical. Taken to the board, My less than stellar grade would be overturned for lack of being reasonable & responsible by you for your pay grade.
The quote of FDR you used, in form was correct. Problem arises with your conclusions. You took out of context the entire meaning. That I proved. A common mistake for a novice.
You still try to give credence to your original reasoning, but FDR wrote ““All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service”. FDR further adds “The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”
You disagreed with Robert of VT whose remarks hold the sentiments of FDR’s letter to union leader. You attempted to impugn his judgment was incorrect. You try to malign me for pointing that out. Your “strike quote was a major sticking point of FDR belief (which WI unions broke), along with other restrictions on collective bargaining within your original stipulations you ignored. Not collective bargaining as usual concerning what you pointed out original (“collectively bargain over their wages, their benefits and/or their working conditions”). FDR gave restrictions.
To you in your remarks & public union inappropriate activity in WI, I give this quote:
“Little men with little minds and little imaginations go through life in little ruts, smugly resisting all changes which would jar their little worlds”
Zig Ziglar
Do better next time...

Bill Hedges of MO 8:34PM March 11, 2011

Your wages are paid by my taxes. You have no 1st amendment right to loot my wallet. Unions are a descructive cancer in our economy and your greed has surpassed any purpose you one may have had

don of TX 3:03PM March 11, 2011

This is about lawful first amendment rights. Those who seek to deny those rights to others do not stand with the principles this country was founded upon. The modern Republican party is a big joke.

Tim of CO 11:35AM March 11, 2011

Here you go,Bill Hedges of MO:
http://gulagbound.com/12924/franklin-roosevelt-on-collective-bargaining-for-public-employees
You, obviously have an anger problem. You do NOT, therefore, get an get an "A+" from me. Below is the entire letter by FDR, including a photocopy of the original letter by FDR. I copied my quote right from this letter. I did not include the entire letter because it had already been quoted by others.
My purpose in sending that PARTICULAR paragraph was the sentence that contained the word "STRIKE." In effect, public employees are not to STRIKE. FDR did not, literally, prohibit collective bargaining; FDR prohibited STRIKING! Actually, I don't feel like a fool at all, but feel free to call me that if he makes you feel better.
I never quote unless it is from a primary document. I felt that the Website that quoted FDR, and went to the trouble to show a photocopy of the PRIMARY document was good evidence that I had copied FDR's exact words. Why should I repeat the quotes that others already did?
Bill:
Take better care of yourself, and "Don't Pole Vault Over Mouse Turds."
--quote by Lon Emerick--

Ann Keenan of MI 11:18PM March 10, 2011

It’s never gonna get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you got, because the owners of this country don’t want that, I'm talking about the real owners now, the REAL OWNERS, the big wealthy business interests that control things & make all the important decisions.
Forget the politicians, Politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice, you have owners, they own you.
They own everything, they own all the important land, they own & control the corporations, they've long since bought & paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, the City Halls, they’ve got the judges in their back pockets, & they own all of the big media companies so they control just about all the information you get to hear.
They’ve got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well we know what they want - they want more 4 themselves & less for everybody else.
But I’ll tell you what they don’t want...they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking..they don’t want well-informed, well-educated people, capable of critical thinking, they’re not interested in that, that doesn’t help them, that’s against their interests, that’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table figuring out how badly they’re getting fricked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fricking years ago. They don't want that.
You know what they want? They want obedient workers, obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly poopier jobs, with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.
And now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fricking retirement money, they want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall St, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later. Cause they own this fricking place..it’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You & I are not in the Big Club..and btw it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe, all day long beating you over the head in their media, telling you what to believe, what to think, & what to buy.
The table is tilted, folks, the game is rigged, and nobody seems 2 notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people, white collar, blue collar, doessn’t matter what color shirt you have on, good honest hard-working people, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock-suckers who don’t give a crap about they…they don’t give a crap about you, they don’t GIVE a crapabout you, they don’t CARE about you, at all, at all, at all...and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.

George of OH 3:31PM March 10, 2011

Ann Keenan of MI wrote “FDR never said public sector unions should NOT exist, or should not be able to collectively bargain over their wages, their benefits and/or their working conditions”
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“Reading your letter of July 14, 1937, I was especially interested in the timeliness of your remark that the manner in which the activities of your organization have been carried on during the past two decades "has been in complete consonance with the best traditions of public employee relationships." Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs.”
“The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.”
“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”
This part Ann quoted.
“I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.”
“Very Sincerely Yours, ”
“:(FDR)”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2675825/posts
Basically, you can get fair treatment, that is your right, and good pay, etc.. WI has given better than private sector. That WI no longer can afford. Closing schools a NO-NO...

Bill Hedges of MO 5:12AM March 10, 2011

The "Domino Effect" is now in place! They're mighty heavy, so you'd best get out of the way!
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Icanseeclearlynow of CA 2:36AM March 10, 2011

FDR never said public sector unions should NOT exist, or should not be able to collectively bargain over their wages, their benefits and/or their working conditions, FDR said that government employees should not be able to strike:
"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."
...Franklin Delano Roosevelt...

Ann Keenan of MI 10:02PM March 09, 2011

Robert of VT:
Think VERY hard about your statements. None of the statements you made would pass a course in logic.

Ann Keenan of MI 9:47PM March 09, 2011

Collective bargaining by public employee unions is such a bad idea that even FDR was against it! He wrote in 1937 to the head of the federal employees association:
"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations."
Even George Meany, former president of the A.F.L./C.I.O. recognized that unions, formed to allow collective bargaining so workers could get a fair share of the wealth their labor helped create, had no place in the public, government sector, where there was NO wealth being produced.

Ken Huston of ID 3:26PM March 05, 2011