Debating the Pros and Cons of a Flat Tax

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Daniel Mitchell at the Cato Institute says it is time to implement a simple and fair flat tax, but Holley Ulbrich, senior fellow at the Strom Thurmond Institute at Clemson University, says a flat tax would further shift the tax burden to the poor and middle class. Your feedback:

Both your commentators had valid points. The present tax code represents both a huge burden in time and money to taxpayers, and a legacy of congressional corruption embodied in thousands upon thousands of special deals. It is also an example of micromanaging social engineering run amok. However, it should be possible to simplify the system to such an extent that the tax code would comprise 100 pages, instead of 67,000. Begin by eliminating the special deals: Any provision in the tax code which was not utilized in 75 percent of all returns this year would be removed from the code. Next, any provision not utilized in 80 percent, then 85 percent, until the code applies equally in practice, not just theory, to nearly all taxpayers. For now, a graduated tax system—just far less complicated—would seem a prudent course. Once it is simplified, and thousands of variables are taken out of the equation, it would be much easier to judge cause and effect and to adjust tax rates accordingly.

JIM BURDICK Rocky Face, Ga.

A properly implemented flat tax (consumption tax, sales tax, FairTax, whatever you want to call it) would be neither disruptive nor unfair as Ms. Ulbrich thinks. Gradually phasing it in, by reducing income taxes as the flat tax is implemented, would allow everyone to adjust. Secondly, I disagree with Ms. Ulbrich that it would be unfair and redistribute the burden. As I envision it, we would not pay tax on our needs (or our investments) but only on our wants. A basic amount for food, shelter, clothing, and transportation would be exempted or rebated. This means that the poor would pay no tax, just as they do not now pay tax. We would pay tax on what we spend but not on what we invest. I think the tax load would be distributed pretty much as now, without the possibility for Congress to tinker and without the complicated tax code. I am talking about a tax at the point of purchase. Everyone will know exactly what it takes to support the government. I am not in favor of a value-added tax. It is hidden, so we do not know what we pay for tax, while it burdens the economy.

FRANK ZOZ Waterloo, Iowa

It is easy to see why a flat tax is preferred by rich individals, foundations, and corporations. A flat tax, even with some adjustments, is inherently regressive. And the rich always prefer others to carry the load. Holley Ulbrich complains that the current system is too complex. Most of that is due to lobbyists for the well-to-do and connected who can pay to influence Congress to put in more benefits for them. Yes, the system can be made less complex; but that would reduce or eliminate provisions favoring the higher-income groups, not a likely scenario.

JIM COPENHAVER Chandler, Ariz.

The real answer, and the only one with any chance of succeeding, is a very simplified version of our current progressive tax system. One with no itemized deductions or credits, increased personal-exemption amounts and no more than four or five progressive brackets. To increase savings and investments, the following types of income would be taxed at reduced rates, by allowing a special 50 percent deduction: qualified interest and dividend income, long-term capital gains, and retirement and Social Security income. Let's take the social engineering out of our current system; stop catering to the special interest groups; and make the system fair, simple, and easy to administer for everyone who wants to pay his fair share (no more, no less).

ROBERT SMETANA Downers Grove, Ill.

Under the flat tax, you will still have the Gestapo IRS, and politicians will continue to manipulate the tax code to suit their own advantages. Under the FairTax, you will be taxed on new purchases only. We have a huge underground economy that does not pay any taxes. We also have millions of illegal aliens working who do not pay taxes, as well as nefarious services, such as drug dealers, gangsters, hookers, etc., who do not contribute to our tax system. The rich do not pay their fair share of taxes due to their trusts. But with FairTax, all will contribute by paying taxes at the cash registers. We need change, but our system of taxation is broken beyond repair. Our tax code is so complex that even the IRS cannot decipher what is written. If you call the IRS with a simple question, you will get a different answer each time you call. Is that fair or what?

LEO O. ZAKHAROFF Santa Rosa, Calif.

Don't blame the IRS. The IRS just administers the laws passed by Congress. The congressmen often don't understand the laws they have passed, and sometimes they have different opinions on what the laws they pass mean. The IRS then has to interpret those laws. Take the long-distance tax on telephone calls that were based on time and distance. IRS said that meant time or distance, so a per-minute fee was taxed. Others argued that to tax the call, it had to be charged on the basis of both time and distance. This could have been resolved without years in the courts, if Congress had just amended the law to more clearly state what they meant. The problem is that they didn't know what they meant. As for a FairTax, that is defined as "Don't tax me; don't tax thee; tax that fellow behind the tree."

JEROME SCHLINDER Columbus, Ohio

Amazing! Do you see how how the mind can rationalize and justify anything? My question is simple: What is a fair tax? It should be obvious that the system we have now is not working. Democrats insist on taking more money from the wealthy. This only drives them to other countries. Who isleft to pay? Hmm, the middle class? Our system definitely employs a lot of people. God forbid, a flat tax might mean lazy-bum accountants and tax preparers would have to find a real job. Regardless, any tax system is not going to fix the irresponsible spending in Washington. When the rich decide to go elsewhere, tax revenues decrease and joblessness increases. What happens then? Who will Obama blame? The Republicans? Why not?

MARK F. WAKEFORD Flagstaff, Ariz.

The flat tax still needs the IRS and zillions of CPAs and lawyers to interpret who owes what, and lobbyists to influence Congress on tax-related issues. You would still pay all of the other federal taxes (excise, gas, Social Security, communication, etc.). Check out the FairTax. All current federal taxes are eliminated! Wow! Including the ones you don't see. Under the FairTax, you are taxed on what you spend when you spend it. You get your entire paycheck or dividend or interest and are not taxed until you buy something. If you make a lot of money, you usually spend a lot of money. There would be aid from the government to help the very poor. Check out the FairTax details at www.fairtax.org. Lots of pros and some cons. This system will never be approved because the IRS would go away (at least 500,000 jobs), and the need for CPAs, lobbyists, and lawyers would be greatly reduced. The fact that most of our Congress people are lawyers might have some influence, too.

HARVEY CLARKE Bedford, Va.

No, to the flat tax; yes, to the FairTax. The flat tax is still an income tax and the politicians can still use it to buy votes and make increases in the rates. The FairTax will stop the IRS and make our businesses more competitive in world markets, so some of those jobs can come home. All the Chinese and other countries' goods would be taxed at the same rate as American goods. Don't hold your breath for the politicians to ever let anything pass that will put a hold on their ability to spend our taxes however they may choose.

HARVEY E. CHAMBERS Buford, Ga.

Robin Hood in reverse is the flat tax. But we're supposed to drool like dummies with mismatched socks because it's the size of a postcard? Come on! If we're that dumb, we deserve to get screwed. How about "No Income Tax"? Period.

TODD C. WETMORE Honolulu 

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The authors purposefully conflated the Flat tax with the Fair Tax and did a great disservice to their readers. They are vastly different and one is ridiculous while the other (the fair tax) has merit, although anything we do to simplify our outrageous current system would be extremely controversial, despite its virtues and the real necessity for change.

George Ripley of DC 10:19AM March 15, 2013

wow so boring.... does everything have to be reflected back on the president #stupid <3<3<3

chute lil mama&lt;3 of FL 1:14PM November 06, 2012

I love how one side believes a Flat Tax is regressive? what ever the magic number is here is the simple truth. for arguments sake let's use 10% for simple math. A man who makes 10$ pays 1 makes 100$ pays 10,1000$ pays 100,makes 1 Million pays 100 thousand! So a man who makes more money already places more dollars in the pot than a man who makes ten. How is it that someone who earns 1 Million dollars uses more highways, police protection govt essential services than the poor who made 10$ ? He/She doesn't and we aren't talking about his employer or his business who pays separate taxes on profit.

Now we have all been brainwashed into thinking that somehow taxing the rich a high percentage is the moral thing to do. Some in my family believe this and back it with their religion. But as I recall my Bible School, God charged us with 10% tithe....he never said 2% for the poor and 25% for the rich. But ok let's say you aren't religious let's say you believe its the moral thing to do...and from my observation it's the (left,democrats,progressives,liberal) whatever name you prefer,call for a progressive tax. usually based on some morality stand. Well aren't these the same folks who decry the right trying to push their morality down their throats?. So why is it immoral unfair to ask the poor to pay something at the federal level assuming income.

But ok lets get over this I could even handle a three tiered tax rate . But here is the deal no exemptions no deductions . And all income is treated the same you dig a ditch ,you win it in the lottery or casino,Aunt Millie leaves it to you,earn it on the job or thru business.

How is this unfair? You don't think retirees own stock? receive dividends? but somehow only the rich get this benefit so it should be taxed more. Oh you inherited it that's not fair it should be taxed at a higher rate. you didn't work for it it should be taxed higher?

The only way I can interpret anyone that backs this is,you were more fortunate than someone else by chance or effort on your part or your relatives. So I want to take some of yours and give it to someone else?

Taxes as Morality should only be in that No one should be taxed less or greater on their money.

Morality as in reach down and help your neighbor and brother out? Sure spend a portion of my taxes for that.I want to help the down out and unfortunate. But to take a higher percentage from one man by force to give to another?

If either side were truly interested in making taxes fair they would develop a flat tax. It is transparent easy to calculate would eliminate tons of govt overhead because it would be easier to audit and enforce. A flat tax done correctly does not hurt the poor it simply asks them to pay a fair to be a citizen which sets a good example and gives them a stake. Ultimately thru assistance programs they will get that money back.

But Do politicians on either want a more transparent system? Do tax attorneys/accountants IRS employees want a simpler system

mj of AL 9:24PM October 05, 2012

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