Did Bush/Cheney Torture Get U.S. Into the War in Iraq?

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NOT DISILLUSIONED of AZ 4:45PM October 04, 2009

Dear Brad:
Agreed that you can't tell based on the evidence we have. However - what does it mean when you say 'Bush demonstrated a sincere desire to advance freedom...'?
It is my opinion that it is exactly this kind of thinking on the part of our administration that gets us into the Iraq/Vietnam kind of mess. We talk about 'rescuing' Iraqis from Saddam - however - at no time were Iraqis asking for us help (in contrast to the first Gulf war where Kuwaitis DID ask for us to go rescue them). At no time did the Iraqis say - come and make us a free country. Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney decided to become liberators for people who did not ask to be liberated. The result - anywhere from a 100,000 to 500,000 Iraqi civilian casualties. And while we can argue that most of these casualties were caused by Iraqi insurgents - it is also true that there was no insurgency prior to our invasion of Iraq. Hence - directly or indirectly - we remain partially responsible for those Iraqi deaths.
I still fail to fathom this rationale that we are 'advancing freedom' by bombing the heck out of a country that never posed a threat to us.

AV of TN 9:08PM June 21, 2009

My friend Brad seems to want the castle on the moon offered by Carlo. It is obvious that the Bush administration was just looking for a scapegoat. He had tried using the freedom only talk but that was not sufficient so the only way was to cook up a false link with Al Qaeda leader who visibly is already dead since before the Iraqi war ever started.
Does it not bother anyone that the only tapes we have show a bin laden just in too good shape to be true? Unless he has some vampiric tendencies, anyone would think that such a harsh life would have left on him more effects than on the average male. Just compute his age and tell me whether the pirated videos you get to see on occasion (springing out conveniently when people start claiming he is dead) reflect even the normal ageing of any man.
The Bush administration has always used impudently falsehoods to justify their acts and the subsequent administrations will continue to unless the world starts asking them to answer for their shortcomings and apologize for their terrible mistakes.

Geetha 6:05AM May 20, 2009

Prior to and during Bush' Iraq war his team tried virtually every trick in their book to justify their war. They tried lie-after-lie and maintained an innocent demeanor as they moved ahead to destroy and kill. They made it a traitorous act for anyone to dissent to insure no civil interference.
We all carry the stain and may long pay dearly for this atrocity.

Richard Sirginson of WA 5:04PM May 18, 2009

The illegal invasion of iraq and afganistan is based on energy
supplies.busness as usual.
If people want to believe it was about promoting freedom,
i have a castle to sell on the moon.

carlo caporaso of NJ 9:12AM May 18, 2009

Looks like you stumped us on this one - not too many takers. This may be because, even if Wilkerson is accurate, we can't possibly know the motivations behind the efforts to extract information. I believe liberals would say the Administration was fixated on attacking Iraq and would do anything to obtain justification for that plan (ie - information they knew to be false). I believe it is more likely the Administration had sincere reasons to suspect an Iraq connection and wanted to make sure if any captured suspects could corroborate such a connection, they did. Bush-haters assume the worst. Through all the mistakes he made, I believe Bush demonstrated a sincere desire to advance freedom and protect the United States, even if it meant doing the unpopular. It's easy to be judgemental with hindsight.

Brad of TX 7:39PM May 15, 2009