The Torture Debate: the Bush Memos, the Abuse Photos—and a Truth Commission?

April 24, 2009 RSS Feed Print

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The torture controversy continues to twist and turn, hogging a considerable amount of blogospheric attention. First up: timelines. This liberal blogger gives a timeline of what we know about U.S. interrogation methods from the Bush administration until now. He explains the necessity: "So much information about the Bush administration's torture policies and rationales has surfaced in recent days that, contrary to the secrecy meme of those days, we are now in danger of suffering from TMI—too much information." Foreign Policy's timeline looks slightly more professional. And Annie Lowrey blogs about it here: " So, most of the foundational reporting on torture happened in late 2003, 2004, and 2005—by reporters like Dana Priest of the Washington Post and Jane Mayer of the New Yorker, describing extraordinary rendition and the black site prisons."

The Next Shoe: Photos

Get ready for more. The Obama administration is preparing to release photos of interrogations. The photos come at the prodding of the ACLU, which sought the release under the Freedom of Information Act (read the ACLU press release here). Conservative Ed Morrissey gets furious, then historical, and then furious again: "Small wonder the intelligence community has erupted in anger over this." Johanna Neuman gives her take (and a nice summary of the debate too): "This is not the road that President Obama wanted to go down." Conservative Cliff May sees this as more ammunition for America's enemies: "Pointing a weapon at a prisoner is torture?" And in this post liberal Sam Stein gives Sen. John Kerry's take on the photos.

And the Arguments on Torture

...Rage on. Liberal Chris Smith thinks Obama was right to release the memos. Conservative Cliff May doesn't like being labeled pro-torture, as he has been, for believing that morally-grey interrogation techniques shouldn't be totally abandoned. He quotes terrorist Abu Zubaydah from the released CIA memos to prove his point: "Brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardships." Blake Hounshell writes that U.S. torture policies under Bush hurt our intelligence gathering capabilities more than we think. Insider accounts of the Bush interrogation policies make Andrew Sullivan queasy. Bloggers are also debating what the policymakers should do next. Liberal David Waldman examines the whole truth commission idea. Steve Benen's all for it. So is liberal Bob Burnett: "We need to put the Bush era behind us and move on. The way to do this is by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Bush's torture policy." Moe Lane disagrees. And Marc Ambinder reads Obama's mind.

...Meanwhile...

Venezuela's Hugo Chavez gives New Jersey an island... Wisconsin pastor cited for a bow and arrow demonstration in church now charged with carrying a concealed weapon... Will Ferrell enjoys a nice, cold cup of urine with Bear Grylls.

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lioracontr of AK 12:27PM July 05, 2009

Treason is Treason. The lies, deceit and manipulated intelligence that got us mired down in a Iraq1 quagmire is Treason.

Colonialism. What is the definition of Colonialism? Through the centuries, the Europeans and Americans have invaded and occupied countries on behalf of their Conglomerates, to enslave, rape, murder and commit genocide against the Indigenous Peoples of the world, in order to rob, pillage,plunder and steal their natural resources and lands for colonization.

Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, China, Cuba, South America, North America, Africa, you name it, beern there, done that.

Colonialism is the leading cause of terrorism. the 3,000 murdered American citizens on 9/11 is the end result of Colonialism. The over 4300 dead American G.I.'s, Marines, and Sailors, killed in a country with no ties to 9/11, is the end result of Colonialism.

Who profited off the Iraqi occupation? The Neo Con owned Conglomerates, Bush Administration, their families, Friends and Cronies, and apparently the equally corrupt Republican, Democratic and Independent Legisltors, who have been bought off with bribes, extortion and their investments in the same Neo Con owned Conglomerates.

Colonialism = Terrorism.. Colonialism = Treason..

Curtis Sommer of AK 12:36PM April 27, 2009

In reading and reviewing the debate over releasing data related to the terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay I wish to share a quote from Churchill also:

"In war it does not matter who is right, but who is left."

The critics of our intelligence community need to be reminded that we're at war, nothing less. Unless these critical folks, to include Obama are willing to fight these terrorist thugs themselves, they need to stop releasing our tactics. Is there really a "right" or "wrong" in war, sure, but atleast we're not cutting their heads off and leaving their corpse to rot in the streets, like we should!

Corporations are allowed to withhold secrets that their success relies on, but our Nation is required to reveal the same secrets that our success is reliant upon. Something is wrong with the White House, Obama, and the US Congress.

Thomas paine of KS 10:39AM April 27, 2009

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