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Definition of the democratic vote does not apply to referendums in Ossetia and Abkhazia. 250000 ethnic Georgia population was thrown out from Abkhazia and Ossetia in 90s, remaining 30000 with Russian passports held a referendum to join Russia.

Imagine if all democrtacts are thrown out from the USA and then elections take place for only republicans. Will you call it democratic vote?

Russians introduced conflict zones in Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Molodva in 90s to control their degree of democratic aspirations. Every time these countries try to break free they pull the trigger.

Eteri of VA 5:21PM August 19, 2008

I, too, am concerned that there has been so little detailed news describing the situation in Georgia. And it is too bad that one has to resort to the internet to get both sides of the issue.

We accuse Russia of seeking empire, but it is America who has ringed them with nuclear missiles, established over 725 military bases on foreign soil, and who spends far more money than Russia on defense.

We have become the empire.

Ron of GA 1:36PM August 16, 2008

Oh spare me please. Have you people fogotten the policy of the Soviet Union of Russification? For years they pushed Russians into the lands of other people and now cry that those areas are Russian. Look what they have been doing to Ukraine. There they killed the Ukrainians, took their property and gave it to the Russians they moved in. Now, those same Russians cause problems. It would be better if the dictators of Russia called their people back to their homeland of Russia and let the rest of the old Soviet Union finally live in peace.

John Soblowy of TX 12:30PM August 16, 2008

Because of our location virtually all throughout history Poland has always been under the russian, german or austrian thumb. In fact Poland is now in longest time in its history - free from any occuppation. A country with over 1200 years of documented history - with only 50 continuing years of peace and prosperity... The region has always been very volatile..

Keeping all that in mind, I personally agree that Russia was on some level backed into a corner here. Imagine the tables have turned and it was russians trying to install some missile defence interceptors in Mexico (or Cuba- no pun intended). We all know very well how that played out last time (though some may argue that placing "missile defence system"- pun fully intended, is not the same as installing fully active nuclear warheads).

Either way this gets me worried. Considering that current US President is in it's final term and may consider actions otherwise keeping him from being re-elected, we may be in for a dark future. Yet, we have to remember that "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing…"

Finally, all the recently so greatly publicised incursionary "rescures to protect it's soldiers, citizens or peace keepers, or hunts for the weapons of mass destrucion" makes me wonder wether we, the citizens of the 21-st century free world are so incredibly enlightened as we may think...

Wiktor of IL 10:23PM August 15, 2008

There are so many vested interests in the Caucasus, it is difficult to see the wood through the trees regarding the Russo-Georgian conflict there. However, most of it seems to relate to control of all important oil supplies, so no change there.

A Russian dissident was murdered in London, allegedly by the Russian secret service, so I could be very biased against Russia.I will however, try to give a balanced view on this issue. I have good Russian friends, who are decent, educated and honest people.

The two break-away provinces in Georgia have voted, yes voted, more than once ro cecede from Georgia. This is seldom reported on by the western media. The history of the Caucasus has always been complicated, as is the history of the Balkans. You cannot force people to live together and even autonomy doesnt always work; ask any Catalan in Spain. It is possible, not probable, that Scotland will cede from the Union one day but I doubt if the English would go to war should that occur. Differences may be racial, religious or political. If those differences cannot be reconciled then a "divorce" may be the only solution.

Russia has been very wrong in its over-reaction to the initial military offensive by Georgia but I ask myself why the president of Georgia sanctioned such a suicidal attack? He knew it would provoke such a reaction from Russia, which in turn would be followed up by President Bush backing "democratic Georgia". However, behind the scenes I would imagine the US administration is furious with that of Georgia.

Please ask yourself if US or British soldiers in peace keeping zones were killed, as Russians were killed in South Ossetia, I am 100% sure Bush and Brown would have ordered severe retaliation.

The west should now work hard to build-up close relationships with the Russian administration, to deal with their understandable paranoia about the expansion of NATO on Russia's doorstep and the placement of defensive missile systems in Poland and eastern Europe. To say that this is for use against rogue terrorist states is ridiculous. Nobody believes this argument, so one should understand why Russia doesn't either.

I am sure there is a lot of internal argument and discussion within the Russian administration, as to whether they should isolate or integrate themselves with the world as a whole. I am sure there are still old style miltaristic individuals in the administration who would wish to return to the old ways of the cold war. The US and Europe shouldn't provide such individuals with "free ammunition" and give them the upper hand.

I hope the US offers Russia an olive branch of high level talks in the near future, to diffuse the situation before it escalates who knows where. This is not a sign of weakness but rather leadership by the US to thrash out differences diplomatically and to listen to genuine concerns of the Russians and to prevent further dangerous Russian isolationism.

4:41PM August 15, 2008

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