As Senate Takes Up Stimulus Debate, How Many Billions Are Enough?

At $888 billion, the stimulus package could get even larger as Democrats try to win some GOP support

February 2, 2009 RSS Feed Print

The intensifying showdown over an economic stimulus bill shifts to the Senate, where a humongous proposal—nearly $888 billion, and larger than the House-passed version—carries huge political stakes for President Barack Obama.

Senators, whether liberal or conservative, Democratic or Republican, agree on one thing: In the coming days, a stimulus measure is likely to be approved.

Although Obama has stated he'd like 80 votes in the Senate, no doubt the former junior senator from Illinois would settle for far fewer. As senators prepare to debate a stimulus package, Democrats believe they can rely on 58 votes, one shy of the 59 they need to thwart a Republican filibuster that would derail the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Normally, it takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster, but with one vacancy stemming from the contested Senate race in Minnesota, the bar is lower.

"I believe we have the votes," was the prediction last week from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's spokesman, Jim Manley. It came a week into Obama's presidency, on a day that he took the extraordinary step of coming to the Capitol to court GOP lawmakers.

The rare visit from a sitting president failed to move even one House Republican—none voted for the stimulus—but the Senate is a different animal. With today's breakdown of 56 Democrats, 41 Republicans, and 2 independents, little stands to move without at least some level of bipartisan support.

One conservative, Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma, signaled that he won't vote for a stimulus because, in his view, it is too much government, too much spending, and too little stimulative spending. But he anticipates Senate approval of the bill nonetheless. He expects a few Republicans will end up signing on.

Democrats envision support from each of their members, as well as independent Sens. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernard Sanders of Vermont, bringing the number to 58. If they pick up just one of the likely moderate GOP suspects, whether Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins of Maine or Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, they'll pass a stimulus.

But even if expectations hold, the price tag for the final package—and its exact composition—remain in flux. The House passed an $819 billion stimulus Wednesday on a 244-to-188 vote. Eleven Democrats, 10 of them Blue Dogs who hail from conservative districts and hate piling on to the national debt, broke ranks and joined Republicans in opposition.

One of the leading architects of the House stimulus, Democratic Rep. David Obey, chair of the Appropriations Committee, complained leading up to the vote that one Republican leader told GOP lawmakers to behave "like 1,000 mosquitoes to harass the majority."

And so Republicans did, heeding House Minority Leader John Boehner's dictate: "We can't borrow and spend our way to prosperity." Republicans sought tax relief, not billions in new spending. They argued that the private sector, not Uncle Sam, should create jobs and urged cash-strapped states to tighten their belts. All the while, they cautioned that more than a trillion in new debt—the $819 billion package, plus interest costs to borrow the money—would be an albatross around the necks of future generations.

Though Republicans lost the House vote, their message machine may be working. A new poll by Gallup found only 52 percent of Americans favor a stimulus. Some 37 percent were opposed, while 11 percent had no opinion.

Democrats, still pushing a massive safety net for an economy that appears to be in free fall, are banking on other numbers to advance their case, starting with Obama's approval rating, 68 percent, and the jobless rate, which is at 7.2 percent and growing alarmingly fast.

Arguing that the economy has not been in such dire straits since the Great Depression, they underscore that states have a raft of shovel-ready projects to rebuild infrastructure and put people back to work and that investments are needed to make the United States less dependent on foreign oil. Additionally, they want to help those hit hardest by the ongoing economic turmoil.

"Jobs" is the Democrats' mantra, but they'll bolster their case by talking about kids going to school in trailers, high school grads deferring college dreams, and inevitable cuts in emergency services at the state and local levels if a bill doesn't advance. Obama has his sights on creating or saving 3 million to 4 million new jobs, and, meeting with business executives at the White House on the day of the House vote, he warned that businesses that are shedding jobs to stay afloat "cannot afford inaction or delay." He added: "The workers who are returning home to tell their husbands and wives and children that they no longer have a job, and all those who live in fear that theirs will be the next job cut, they need help now."

The stakes for Obama couldn't be higher. "The bill is a huge vote for him. This is the big-ticket item of his first 100 days, and you never want to lose on a bill like this," says Julian Zelizer, a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton. "It's important not just for the bill itself but for the next 20 bills. One legislative victory builds on another, so to have this defeated would mean he's having a problem establishing himself in Washington."

During the debate, some Republican senators will try to advance tax cuts over eye-popping spending. "Conservatives need to snap out of their November blues. We lost an election, not our minds," Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina wrote in an op-ed. He is pushing instead to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and advance additional tax-relief measures.

The top Senate Republican, Mitch McConnell, expressed concern about spending tax dollars "we don't have on programs we don't need." He cited provisions for buying cars for federal employees, beautifying ATV trails, and spiffing up the Commerce Department's headquarters. He urged fixing the "main problem" first, notably the nation's housing sector.

The debate could be long and contentious, perhaps even punctuated by the sound of 1,000 buzzing mosquitoes. But don't expect Democrats to reach for the proverbial elephant gun to silence them. Compromise is more likely.

Congressional expert Ross Baker of Rutgers says a bipartisan bill is important to Obama because it would give him some political cover. "It's a crapshoot," Baker observes. "The bill could be a great success, or it could be a ruinous failure, but with some Republican names attached, the president can say it was not strictly a Democratic thing." He likens Obama's signing his top legislative priority into law to nothing less than one's wedding night. "Much of the honeymoon will proceed according to how the couple made out," he quips. "And if it is skillfully consummated, it bodes well for the future." L

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We need to aggressively get the illegals transported and simply dumped across the Mexican border. We need to immediately suspend the free medical, education, housing, and food these people have been receiving via the USA taxpayer. The bailout money would be better spent to facilitate this process as this would result in actual cost savings and job creation (for Americans!) instead of the phony programs proposed by the banksters. Immigration law needs to be aggressively enforced!

Sorry but the USA is bankrupt and does not have the money for these people illegally in our country. I like one idea recently proposed we fine mexico one barrell of oil for every illegal we dump back on them.

America needs to focus on Borders (securing and enforcing our borders), Language (our language is English), and the preservation of American Culture.

Derek2100 of TX 7:10PM February 09, 2009

SteveB,

How can you blame all this on any party? Nobody forced people to live on credit. Nobody forced people to live beyond their means. Nobody forced people to buy homes they could not afford. You cant even claim ignorance on this subject. How can anyone go under contract for $250k + and not have a clue about what is going on? A home is the biggest purchase most people make and most treated it as a car lease. "Oh well, in three years I will just trade it in for a bigger model."

This is a moral issue, this is an integrity issue. This is what happens when millions of Americans fail a basic math class. If your monthly expenses exceed your monthly income STOP SPENDING!

You cant blame any more of this on the Republicans then you can on the democrats. It just so happens it all crashed while a republican was in power. The democrats have proven they are just as bad, Michigan, Mass, NJ, PA, NY, CA all states having trouble balancing their budgets. Al states that have some of the poorest cities in the country all run by democrats.

Was there lack of oversight? Maybe, but what good is the oversight when they are paid to look the other way. Bernie Madoff was investigated by the SEC 9 times. 9 TIMES! Yet they found nothing. A perfect example of corrupt oversight. Bottom line, oversight means nothing when morality and integrity is in short supply.

Pete of PA 4:29PM February 03, 2009

You have it right John.

Republican's, save your party.

Don't let your far right wacko's tell you what to think and do. The "Liberal media" rants

are just the koolaid talking...

The Dems cleaned out their far left wacko's in the mid 80's, now its your turn.

The new RNC guy looks like a step in the right direction. Good luck to him.

Come back to the reasoned debate about how we fix this. Then as Americans, work to make

whatever the majority decides succeed. If you can't do that, you know you are a Bush Jr

Republican. Senior was a good guy...

SteveB of WA 12:28AM February 03, 2009

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