See here is the cool part. It doesn't matter what we think ! We aren't supposed to judge....anyone for anything!!! Jesus ate with all the "wrong people" he loved them and gave us the commandment to love. So that is what we should be doing. The person who mentioned divorce earlier... we ALL sin, and no sin is greater than another. But our lives would be SOOOOOO much easier if we just loved, NOT judged. We spend so much time criticizing others when we are suppose to build them up. And to our friends on either "left or right" Jesus didn't go to their house for dinner and ream them... he spoke gently and kindly and lovingly in hopes that they would see God's love through Him. He "attracted more flies with honey than vinegar" one of my favorite folklore sayings and a valuable one I stress to my children...kindness and love always.
Ashley in Virginia Beachof VA11:43PM July 06, 2009
Irony abounds those who are adamant that the Bible is simply a book of fiction. far from it. in fact the Bible is most likely one of the first text books known to human kind. consider: the Bible contains passages on what is Kosher, on how life may have been created and historical passages. this is, in essence ways to eat right and avoid food poisioning, biology according to what was known at the time and believied to have happened and the use of historical descriptions, perhaps blown a bit out of porportion, but still with clear underling messages. which is why any sensable person should be concerned when individuals use the term such as 'Biblical truth', when pertaining to marriage or homosexuality in general, as most passages either refer to lust- the use of homosexuality is given additional adjetives in order to emphasize that such indescrestions were particularly offensive, not homosexuality in general or are poor translations/ take passages out of context; refer to the ideas, such as homosexuality as an abomination with the assertion that the Bible is taking a position, rather than offering one. because of this the Bible is used as simply a tool for individuals to force their own positions unto others and give their beliefs a sense of superiority that makes them invunerable to criticism or counter argument. in fact detractors of the Bible are simply reacting to religious fanatics use or rather abuse of Scripture. to that end the realization that the Bible is an attempt to make sense of the world and guide it's peoples, God's creation, through life and give them safe and happy lives. it is often overemphasized the extremely spiritual portions of the Bible, because they are the most controversial and the most swaying. however the time has come to end the misconception that the Bible does more than offer sage advice, wisdom and an understanding in to the concerns of early society, and realize that the connection of any individual to God is with in them and them alone. any less is a usurming of the free willl present in each individual and a threat to moral and spiritual development as well as a danger to society to allow people peace, freedom and happiness.
mattew jonesof IA1:01AM June 11, 2009
From my reading of the bible, Jesus had a lot more to say about divorce than homosexuality. And to be clear, I am divorced and not homosexual. But if you really want to follow the Word, I have much more to be condemned for than the homosexual. I am also unrepentent about my divorce inwhich adultry (which was the only acceptable Biblical reason) was not an issue. So I would not be welcome into your church either - fortunately I am welcome in my church which I attend about 50 sundays a year.
DHS of OC
don shigemuraof CA3:43PM April 28, 2009
I think that many evangelicals today have made themselves completely irrelevant. Speaking in "Christianese" about morals and values as though they are the only values that count. I believe that many American Christians wish to run this country as though Biblical Law should be the rule. That would be fine if it were what each individual American CHOSE. But they haven't. I believe the largest example of lazy evangelizing is to attempt to make biblical morals into national law. While I can't say that I "know" what the reverend is thinking and wrestling with internally, I think Rev. Warren displays the effects of addressing the needs of the masses with no easy answers.
amyof VT10:52AM April 28, 2009
I appreciate many of the comments, I have read--seem thoughtful and many reflect the spirit of "speaking the truth in love."
I would hope that practicing homosexuals are not welcome to join as members w/o repenting, but I would also hope they would be warmly welcomed to attend.
Still waiting for someone to give a truly biblical defense of political activism. I am conservative and try to be active, and support much of what is maligned as "The Christian Right," but that doesn't mean I am not embarrassed by the vitriolic spewing and shallow thinking that inundates our the American Christian culture these days.
Just sayin'
ralaxof OH8:20AM April 28, 2009
The Word of God is sharper than any two edged sword and Christ told us that he came to earth not to bring peace, but to bring division. If Pastor Warren is uncomfortable with people not liking him then he is not the first, nor is he in the right profession. I think he needs to decide which side he's on and stay there. Religion and politics do not mix!!
Oh yeah! I cant believe someone would put Dr. Dobson in the same sentence with Falwell & demonizers, come on!!
Scott C.of VA8:18AM April 25, 2009
mr. warren, do whats right because in the end God will jugde you. stand up for biblical principles and know that this battle is not yours but it's the Lords. You and your family are definitly in our prayers. Set your face as a flint and keep your stand for righteousness any other way you will fail.
maryof TX10:54AM April 24, 2009
mr. warren, do whats right because in the end God will jugde you. stand up for biblical principles and know that this battle is not yours but it's the Lords. You and your family are definitly in our prayers. Set your face as a flint and keep your stand for righteousness any other way you will fail.
mary dixonof TX10:50AM April 24, 2009
It is time that the Right and the Left begin searching for the truth before they destory our nation. I believe Rick is trying to provide some leadership toward the middle of the road.
E.A. Glendenningof IL10:18AM April 24, 2009
It is time that the Right and the Left begin searching for the truth before they destory our nation. I believe Rick is trying to provide some ledership toward the middle of the road.
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