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On First Day as Archbishop, Dolan Says He Won't 'Shy Away' From Gay Marriage Fight

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hotel factory hotel in muenster of 5:25AM April 06, 2010

To - Just stop already - I have to respectfully say I agree with you - and I am what I would consider a devout "Blue Collar" Catholic who has sat back (no longer) for the last ten years and seen a slow destruction of my church. Many will think it was our recent tragic scandal, but I couldn't disagree more.
Remember when we used to "Pray" for example "the conversion of Russia", rather than bear the damage of politically driven screaming mimi's using our church for their personal gain?
I beleive the decline is directly connected to the use of our church for political purposes. It is supported particularly by the extreme right wing "Catholics of Convenience" aka Buchanan, Donahue, Santorum, Bozell, Gingrich, and company for their Political gain. They are more than comfortable in allowing us to be used by the Christian Fundamentalists and Conservative Talk Media that is only too happy to attack our church once the elections are over.
Let me know the first time you hear any of these Catholics of Convenience defend our Bishops or church when it is attacked mercilessly regarding immigration, or concerns regarding the death Penalty (and no, it isn't a good argument for abortion at all). I am Pro Life.
Let me know the last time the attack squad watching Democrats taking Communion said a good word about Catholic Charities, Catholic Hospitals or Catholic Education. Until the false claims about FOCA and Catholic Hospitals, and the School Systems,silence ruled. When was the last time you heard any of these Catholics of Convenience voice concern or support our CHURCH helping schools in poor Neighborhoods? When they can use poor catholics for political purposes (Voucher Issues) they become politially concerned. The set up they want would far more support families able to take children from Diocesan Schools to higher cost "Academies".
I am opposed to gay marriage, I am far more opposed to people like Bill Donahue and his ilk who can't wait to be on TV again. For the last ten years, they have sat silent while churches and schools in less affluent areas are being closed and have treated my church like a Private Country Club more elitist, private and judgemental than any "Liberal upper West Side" pocket in America.
For Donahue it is far more beneficial to be USED as a guest on Scarborough so he can carry Scarborough's assigned Fundamentalist Water - and then be thrown under the bus one more time after the election was over. Using Donahue/Buchanan as standard bearers of the Catholic Church represents a far more "anti-Catholic media" than anything Donahue pretends to be concerned with in his politically driven releases.

Jane of NJ 7:26AM April 20, 2009

No surprise in Dolan's prefabricated agenda to lobby, not just preach, against gay civil marriage. Let's see. What part of democracy leaves him so stubbornly unmoved, feeling no doubt, freezing cold? Separation of church/state?
His campaign cannot avoid the mean-spiritedness upon which its presuppositions (and its methods, most likely) are based. Nor can we neglect to see clearly that his antigay ideas and practices are rooted in medieval thinking and medival practices to a remarkable degree?
At least he is quite open about his antigay animus; and thus his campaigning can be weighed by common sense, if not also by close scrutiny of the typical religious anitgay flawed jusifications - mainly End Justify Means ethics? All devoted to making life as miserable as possible for gay men or lesbian couples who have the brash notion that their commitments and parenting deserves to be unburdened by special legal barriers or prohibitions when it comes to leading their lives as family who have chosen their couple status and/or parenting so intentionally?
How odd for an avowedly religious man who prides himself on a embracing a specialist religious ethical commitment Not To Be Married to claim that this endows him with special insight into the holiness of lifelong ethical commitments among those he preaches are innate sinful - I believe the preferred Vatican phrase at the moment is something like, Intrinsically Disordered? All this special twisting and turning may make it possible to leave queer folks completely outside mainstream Roman Catholic machinations; it hardly answers questions about common sense, about empirical data about queer folks and basic human competencies, or about why Dolan cannot for a split second abide the intolerable thought that some queer couples somwhere might be happy.
Alas, Lord have mercy.

drdanfee of CA 7:53PM April 18, 2009

Please start spreading some joy then instead of focusing on ruining New Yorkers' lives. I'm not Catholic, and I don't want your religion in my face or my laws.
By the way, there are some homeless people on my corner in the East Village. You think you might have some time away from your political crusade to help them?

Lee Waters of NY 2:48AM April 18, 2009

The Roman Catholic Church in general is dying. So Dolan will do anything to get the name out there including deceitful and fraudulent opposition to gay rights.

Tony Pelliccio of RI 12:55AM April 18, 2009

Meanwhile, three blocks away a nine year old was raped by a priest. Seriously - this is his first priority? The Catholic church needs to focus on its organization, not on the lives of people it disapproves of. Newsflash to the Archbishop: The Archdiocese stops at the thresholds of its buildings' doors. The rest of the state and the lives of its citizens aren't yours to try to control with your ancient doctrine and twisted ideas of how the world should work.

Steve of NY 3:36PM April 17, 2009

I really don't understand how people can be so against something. It doesn't make any sense to me that just because two people that happen to be the same sex want to get married that someone has to make a big deal about it. It's truly none of their business, and I honestly think that because the church is the one saying "end the war end the war love everyone, for they are your brothers and sisters" well just imagine if your brother or sister was gay how would you feel if they couldn't be happy because of what some people think about same sex couples. Truly, people in the church these days are hipocrits* [not sure on the spelling], and if they had really accepted god in their hearts they would know that not treating their 'brothers and sisters' with respect is just as bad as someone being gay. If they're supposedly going to take religion out of the government, then why the hell is this still even an issue? Who a person can legally be married to shouldn't be anyone's decision, but the two people who are getting married.

Destiny of TX 6:55PM April 16, 2009

If the Archbishop speaks out about any legislation or canidates in a public election then his church (the catholic church) should be stripped of it's tax-exemption.
The tax regulations must be fully enforced.

Monty Gaither of AZ 3:04PM April 16, 2009