I just came from a trip that included Victoria Canada. The Canadian health system is out of $ and the people are beeing told the health care must change. The people have 29%tax on all they buy already. They wait MONTHS for diagnostic procedures like an MRI to determine if that "foot-drop" your 40 yr old husband is experiencing is a ruptured disc. Yes, they have care that does not include a bill to pay but, the system is broke and to fix it there taxes will go up and their liter of gas is nearly $6.00 already. Other than Gov. control over our country, why would this president want to mess with a health care system that 84% of it's people pay for and is one of the best systems in the world??? Why can't we put that $Trillion into Medicare and Medicade and return the Multi-Millions that have been taken from Social Security and leave us the hell alone!!!
Linda Scottof GA10:58PM August 13, 2009
"Everything for the State; nothing outside the State; nothing against the State" -- Mussolini
Deronof FL3:01PM August 13, 2009
Here's a few facts for you. 85% of Americans would prefer the government to insurance companies. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html
ABC also reported that by a 2:1 margin people would prefer a universal healthcare system. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html
CNN "Quick Vote" poll that asked," Do you believe healthcare is a fundamental American right whether people can pay for it or not?".
The results:
Yes - 79%
No - 21%
A new poll by a nonpartisan, D.C.-based research group finds truly overwhelming support for the public option. The kicker: The poll was bankrolled partly by previous opponents of health care reform, including one of the nation’s best-known insurance companies.
The poll — which was just released by the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a D.C. policy think tank — finds that a majority (53%) strongly back the availability of a public plan, while another 30% “somewhat” support it. That’s a total of 83% in favor of a public plan — a staggeringly large majority.
My favorite site: Very detailed slides based on very specific questions. Check it out: POLL: http://healthreform.kff.org/
Albert Einstein once stated that "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
2nd Favorite quote from Nobel winning economist Joseph Stiglitz he pointed out the following" Today only the deluded would argue that markets are self-correcting or that we can rely on the self-interested behavior of market participants to guarantee that everything works honestly and properly”
3rd quote is just from someone who can state things far more succintly that I can "Michael Kazin, "At its core, populism in the United States remains what it has always been: a protest by ordinary people who want the system to live up to its stated ideals—fair and honest treatment in the marketplace and a government tilted in favor of the unwealthy masses. The best way for big men, and big women, to respond to such protests is to try to do what is moral, as well as popular—and treat Americans as partners in the grand enterprise of governance."
If history has taught us anything, it should be that anytime you have a culture of those who have and those who have not have led to revolt. You can't refute history.
Kaybethof TN4:29PM August 12, 2009
Medical care in countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore can cost as little as 10 percent of the cost of comparable care in the United States".."Next year alone, an estimated 6 million Americans will travel abroad for surgery, according to a 2008 Deloitte study. "Medical care in countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore can cost as little as 10 percent of the cost of comparable care in the United States," the report found."
The link http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/27/india.medical.travel/index.html
Canada census does not indicate most Canadians are upset with their care in fact 85% is satisfied or very satisfied with their care. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/pubs/system-regime/2008-fed-comp-indicat/index-eng.php#t2
Yes they have horror stories, so do we, but guess which citizen after the cost of healthcare would end up in bankruptcy court?
You may try to argue Canadian healthcare is lousy funny that the people who have actually experience both systems would prefer the Canadian system to American system. So if the Canadian sytem is bad, how bad does that make the American system. My source are actual testimonies: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/real-canadians-stick-up-f_n_243752.html?page=7&show_comment_id=28021152#comment_28021152
article by Dan Solis, article where he borrowed his data from Wellington from the Heritage Foundation to rank countries based on the amount of economic freedom in that country. The results were very interesting. Socialist leaning countries (like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Spain and France) all outperformed the U.S. for the thirty-eight year period from January 1, 1970 to December 31, 2008.
France represents an economy much reviled by politicians and pundits alike. Not only is it Socialist leaning, but it has a comprehensive, government run health care system. That's the pariah the health care industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to avoid in the U.S.
Equity returns in France during this period were 10.35% vs. 9.12% in the U.S.
another source: Insurance companies are only middleman, take them out of the picture like Canada and per capita spending on patient could drop considerably. Here is another interesting fact: Average Cost per Person by Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
Using the Canadian model and applying their per capita cost to the US population, we could cover EVERYBODY and SAVE over $3,000 per person per year.
Kaybethof TN4:01PM August 12, 2009
Recent study concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.
Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.
"That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study -- 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services," says Woolhandler. "Other people had private insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance." Health.com: Where the money goes -- A breast cancer donation guide
Dr. David Himmelstein, the lead author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, commented: "Our findings are frightening. Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy. For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection. Most of us have policies with so many loopholes, co-payments and deductibles that illness can put you in the poorhouse. And even the best job-based health insurance often vanishes when prolonged illness causes job loss - precisely when families need it most. Private health insurance is a defective product, akin to an umbrella that melts in the rain
The same people who pay for those who get pregnant instead of using birth control, want multiple babies, use drugs, sell drugs, kill others, get a job as a professional liar (congress, obama, senators or any politician).
Hey, dem's stop trying to indicate your incorrect numbers as to who wants this. Wake up or stop drinkning which ever applies to you!
steveof IL12:44PM August 12, 2009
This Healthcare bill is at least in part just a tool to help Obama provide free healthcare to illegal aliens in order to open the avenue to amnesty for all illegals next year (his very next order of business). By having free healthcare to illegal aliens in place he negates any argument that legitimizing all the illegals will overburden our healtcare system. The democrats are counting on the added votes 15 million new citizens will bring to their side of the aisle. READ THE HEALTHCARE BILL:
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
TomWof WA11:49AM August 12, 2009
To Jack Smith of TX: America does NOT want a public option Health care system. Where are you getting you facts from? This week's Rasmussen survey has the the numbers at 32% for & 57% against. You need to stop drinking whatever brainwash koolaid you're on.
TomWof WA11:29AM August 12, 2009
The government can't run anything. Never can, never will. Obama said it himself, UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Postal Service that's in trouble. Hello, the Postal Service is a government entity. You just proved my point, Mr. President.
This is just one of multitude of examples of ONGOING GOVERNMENT FAILURES in trying to run any kind of business. The president and the congress do not understand business, capitalism, or the private sector and have NO business being involved in any of it.
Every private sector entity the government gets involved in turns into a debacle and ends up costing tax payers billions of dollars in overruns and wasteful spending.
Just look at the financial bailouts. Our hard earned money was just 'given away' without requiring an accounting of where it went or what it was used for. "Total governmental fiscal irresponsibility." The companies and institutions that took the tax payer money and ran, are still in financial trouble and are looking for more tax payer money. DO NOT give it to them. Let the markets determine the fate of these financially irresponsible, poorly managed companies. Bankruptcy may help them learn their lesson much better than a bail out. NO company is too big to fail.
Remember, if you give a man a fish, he'll come back for more. If you teach a man to fish, he can feed his family.
Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, and a host of others in Congress are responsible for the banking catastrophe we have just gone through, namely Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, and the sub prime mortgage debacle. They caused it, they certainly cannot fix it. Congress creates problems and have the audacity to act like it's someone else's fault. Then they try to fix what they caused, and we end up with a worse mess than if they had done nothing at all. And it just keeps costing us more and more money. Stop creating problems and stop trying to fix what you created.
If all this govennment, the president and Congress, has time to do is tinker with the lives of American citizens and our Capitalistic society, then THEY ALL need to find a different day job. It just goes to show that their is not a lick of common sense, business sense, or fiscal sense in Washington DC.
We need government representatives who are in touch with their constituency, are fiscally responsible with the hard earned dollars of the American tax payer, and who possess common sense when dealing with governmental problems.
Stay out of health care, stay out of the car business, stay out of the financial sector, stay out of the private sector altogether. Capitalism and the markets work just fine when left alone. It's only when the government gets involved that things begin to fall apart.
Another thing: Lost jobs = Lost tax revenues. Wake up government! You are jeapodizing you own jobs.
Do only what you are supposed to do, preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. Don't spend my money on your mistakes!
Donald Daleof NY8:33AM August 12, 2009
If we (as we proudly state) live in a Democracy, Please Mr. President: Honor what our Fathers left US! Slow down! If you continue handling the issues at stake with a "rush to judgment" and in an Olygarquic way, you are going to destroy our beautiful country we are so proud of!
I appreciate your articulated way of speaking, but there are many of us that are also gifted with education, power of conviction and DO OUR HOMEWORK before we speak! Please SLOW DOWN! Please team up with congressman and senators and LISTEN to "THE PEOPLE"! not to yourself ONLY! This is not a matter of being a Democrat or a Republican. Our lives are at stake here.
Health care reform is not being bought by the MAJORITY of us, CITIZENS. We are not passionate, un-human, ignorant, disrruptive citizens! all we ask is for a transparent, clear and sensible plan to resolve the financial disaster we are into! But...humanly speaking...ARE YOU PRIORITIZING FINANCIAL MATTERS OVER THE RIGHT OF LIFE AND HEALTH CARE?
Please, Mr. President, we are an educated country, do not underestimate our intelligence and knowledge. We don't like to be treated in an infantile, almost disrrespectful way.
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