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Cain's 9-9-9 Tax Plan Could Hurt Retirees

October 11, 2011 RSS Feed Print

Surging Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain's populist-sounding 9-9-9 tax plan would crush retirees, taking up to a third of their savings as they spend their way through retirement without any offsetting help from Cain's radically low 9 percent income tax.

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, today told Whispers that the hit on retirees is just one problem with Cain's idea. The other major flaw: A temporary overlay on the tax code as a broader Cain plan is developed once he takes office, Democrats could stall reform and eventually raise taxes well above the trademark 9 percent.

[Read why GOPers are questioning whether Cain can sustain.]

Cain has won new political support with his straight-talking idea on how to change taxes. Under his plan, basic taxes would follow a simple formula: 9 percent on personal income, 9 percent on corporate income, and a new 9 percent sales tax, on top of what state and local towns charge. Cain has said that his plan will cut taxes on most Americans while raising more money than the current tax structure does.

But not everybody would benefit, especially those near or in retirement, says Norquist, who has yet to endorse any presidential candidates. He explained that under Cain's blueprint, retirees with no new income would not benefit in anyway from the reduced income tax. But they would be socked with a new 9 percent sales tax at a time when they are getting ready to spend some money on themselves. He said that could amount to about a third of a retiree's savings.

Explaining the new Cain sales tax, Norquist told Whispers, "For a 20 year old, what do I care if you steal my money when I earn it or you steal it when I save it? Same thing. But for somebody at or near retirement, you have just doubly whacked them and the benefit of getting rid of the income tax is not there for that person."

Norquist, however, isn't rallying support to shoot down Cain's idea. Instead, he has praise for Cain at least staking out a bold plan to reform the tax code.

"It's fine as a discussion point," said Norquist, whose group is famous for getting candidates to sign a no-tax pledge.

[See a collection of political cartoons on the GOP hopefuls.]

He added that Cain's plan, while unlikely to go anywhere or even pass Congress if the Republican is elected, gives tax reformers an idea to grab on to as they seek broader changes to the lengthy and confusing tax code. "It's really an expression of anger and frustration," said Norquist. And, he said, Cain's plan draws more attention to taxes and the possibility of taxes jumping to over 40 percent if the taxes pushed by the president go through and the Bush tax cuts aren't extended.

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I have been trying to tell every fellow retiree I know that the 9-9-9 plan will kill us. We are living off our savings now, savings which were taxed at rates of 15,25,33 and higher in some cases. In addition, we paid 7.65% for FICA, so we paid a minimum of 23.65% of our pay in taxes. Our savings are thus a maximum of 72.35% of what we made. If we switch to the 9-9-9, we will pay 9% on everything new we buy including food and medical care(seniors two largest expenses.). In other words, a minimum of 32.65% of our savings were/will be taxed.

Those that still work would only pay 9% income tax, and then another 9%, or a total of 18% when they buy something, with after tax money.

Retirees will have the worst of both worlds- savings that were taxed at a MINIMUM of 23.65% and another 9% consumption tax. This 9-9-9 plan is a DISASTER. Why can't people see this? It is NOT that complicated to see.

Tony of DE 9:18PM October 17, 2011

ATTENTION BOBBI,

Yes, you will pay 9% sales tax to federal gov't and X percentage again to the state. But this is a far cry LESS than the current withholding.

Don't you get it? When money is withheld, it takes away your choice of what to do with it: save or spend.

At a 9% flat federal income tax rate, unless you are currently paying no federal income tax, you will be well ahead of the game.

Geneva of FL 2:20PM October 14, 2011

It would be even far worst, than Norquist suggested,if you are an SS retiree without a nest-egg. Though a lifelong conservative, I'm disabled (heart) a vet, andget $971 a month plus $16 food stamps. Cain's plan would soak me about $1800 a year, all coming out of my basic survival funding, as I have ZERO relatives, no kids, no property, but an old car. I can't afford to replace even cheap shoes! This hare-brained idea is so poorly thought through, that it is almost like wanting to send the elderly poor to A CAMP with a big GAS CHAMBER. There are thousands of vets who might resist on the way to such a fate! When

I was a soldier, early in Vietnam era. Buhdists were

setting themselves ablaze, to protest. Starve and bleed, the poorest, and the GOP will lose all credibility, and moral force!

Allan conservative veteran of CA 4:25PM October 13, 2011

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