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Experts: 'Weed Out' Classes Are Killing STEM Achievement

April 19, 2012 RSS Feed Print

Not enough American students are showing interest in studying for degrees in science, technology, engineering and math, but what experts are more shocked by is the fact that colleges are throwing out the students who are interested.

Nearly half of all students who begin studying for a STEM degree switch majors, according to several studies. "Weed-out" classes, curve grading and a lack of faculty involvement are to blame, experts said at a Bayer Corporation forum on STEM in higher education in Washington Wednesday.

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"We need to wash out the 'weed-them-out orientation' in the classroom," says Mary Fox, co-director at the Center for Study of Women, Science and Technology at Georgia Tech. "That is not a hospitable climate for students, we have to teach students to move along rather than have them sink or swim."

Many veteran STEM professors believe science should be hard, and the course work isn't something every student can do. For them, difficult freshman-year classes separate the cream of the crop.

But in a country where more scientists are desperately needed, that culture needs to change, says Freeman Hrabowski, president of the University of Maryland Baltimore County. Hrabowski was named as one of TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people earlier this week for the University's success in graduating minority students in STEM.

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"Some people believe only a couple people should make it in science and engineering," he says. "The question is—will an institution say there's something wrong with us if we're admitting these students and they're not making it? We have a moral responsibility—if we admit these students in [STEM], we have a responsibility to do much more."

Many higher education faculty members will blame K-12 education for not correctly preparing students for college—more than a third of college freshmen need to take remedial classes—but that's the wrong approach to take.

"A lot of people will say [unprepared freshmen] is the problem of the high schools," says David Seybert, dean of the Bayer School for Natural and Environmental Sciences as Duquesne University. "But we have to be part of that solution."

Hrabowski says that beyond being more nurturing, the tradition of grading science classes on a curve makes them more contentious. Those classes, especially freshman-level classes, should be more collaborative and have more group projects.

"When you grave by the curve, what happens is people don't work together collaboratively," he says. "It stops people from working together and it's making science much more cutthroat."

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That is really sad. I love science. I am majoring in Geology and minoring in Biology. Science can be difficult, but it doesn't have to be. I am not advocating classes that are so easy, that there is hardly learning or work involved. However I think they should make a difference between what is resonable and what is not, when it comes to challenging classes. I have taken a few courses which seem to be weeders, and I have ideas to make them better.

I am taking a third class in a series or core corses in Biology. This stuff is basic, but it is challenging. That in itself is alright. What really irritates me is that we had to read scientific articles. It is extreamly difficult to do for nonexperts, because there is too much jargon. This does not belong in a low level class where we are barely learning the basics. Removing the article reading is enough to make the class reasonable. It would be better to replace it with assignments that reinforces the main things we were learning.

Calculus II was a terrible class for me. I did very well in Calculus I and III. So there is nothing unreasonable about the material. One problem was that the teacher was terrible at lecturing and explaining. I had to learn the material by studying the book and teaching it to myself. The real trouble was the tests. I could do the homework problems just fine. However the test problems were so much harder than that. It just was not fair. A way to make the class resonable is to just make the test problems about as easy as the homework problems.

Organic Chemistry was terrible as a weeder class. It is a shame because I like Chemistry, and learning about it is a lot of fun. I wanted to follow the teacher's advice and do many of the problems in the book for practice. The main downside is that it takes me two days to cover a chapter. Unfortunatly we go through a chapter a week, which is way too fast. I stoppped doing that right away, because I didn't have time. I had other classes to take care of. I felt like I hardly learned a thing. My Organic Chemistry book is as big as my Biology book and my Calculus book. The other courses go at a resonable pace, and the books are good for four semesters. It seems like the Organic classes are trying to squeeze the whole book in two semesters. It is an unreasonable burden to the students. A reasonable approach would be to spread the material out over more courses. The first few chapters are a great overview of the basic concepts. It would be great for the first semester to be limited to those.

I had several classes curved. The intention is good, but it is just bad in practice. I hate doing poorly and worrying whether I am going to be okay. How well other students do is none of my buisness. But with a curve, it does become my buissness. If the material is too hard, it is better to make it easier and don't curve the class. Students can learn by studying together. Curving the class just ruins it.

Chanel of NM 5:21PM December 07, 2012

Cut throat is right! If you've been accepted to a STEM oriented school like Caltech, Purdue, GT, etc., rigorous hard-core freshman math and science courses are fine, they will survive.

But if you take a more modest student, who is not particularly STEM oriented and throw them into rigourous freshman math and science courses, their GPA is blown. They are gone shortly after.

So is "dumbing down" the rigorous STEM stuff the answer? No. It's keeping the more modest students who will not major in STEM "away from" STEM courses. And that's what the majority of them do--that's smart strategy; not dumb strategy.

Let's work with these students in federal/ state and corporate training programs "after" they graduate to train them for specific industries or jobs.

That's the smart strategy which uses the human resources we have, not the human resources we "wish" we had.

The Sage of Wake Forest

George DeMarse of NC 1:46PM October 13, 2012

Interest in a subject != ability to master a subject

ESR of RI 7:20PM August 17, 2012

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