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Crib Sheet: Who's Opposing Senate's Healthcare Abortion Compromise--and Why

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Nathan J. Isbell of AL 10:27AM January 07, 2010

A very good point made by the previous poster. I think that is a stance not much mentioned. Fight against the reasons, not the unborn baby. I hate the evil I have done before turning to Christ. I was a young man who was trapped in sexual immoralities. I have experienced the pains from the perils of legalized abortion. It is only through the grace of God that I have come to realize the evils of this horrific practice of killing the unborn. Parents are given a responsibility to care for their children's well being. This is a God-given responsibility that is to not be taken lightly. Due to our present social numbness and the "dumbing down" of our spiritual accountability in the sight of God, we, as a society, have allowed manifold immoral practices to steer us, as a people, a nation, and the nominal church as well, toward a downward spiral of ungodly, pseudo-social norms that are further deceiving the masses. It shows the sinful nature and spiritual deadness of the soul's pre-saved condition. It is like it was in the garden of Eden, after Adam's trangression, it the sense that people still continue to attempt to hide from God. The foolish nature of the spiritually ignorant still thinks that the all-seeing, all-knowing, omnipotent Creator of heaven and earth, does not see their evil works. Abortion is an evil practice. This not something that should even be legal, much less forced upon the American people through federal taxing, or other hidden loopholes. This healthcare bill was pushed through before CHRISTmas. That is upsetting, in light of the unresolved issues that this bill promotes and allows. Dispite our calamities, there is Hope, and this Hope is why we celebrate CHRISTmas. CHRISTmas is a national holiday that many are well aware of. The bad thing is, that many do not know the Saviour. Therefore they still remain under the wrath of God and are basically spiritually dead. God help us! Jesus Christ came so that we may have life, and have it more abundantly. He came so that we may have communion with God. Jesus Christ came so that we (who could never recieve remission for sins, if left on our own) may have forgiveness of sins. By His stripes, we are healed. He has suffered the eternal punishment that our sins have made us worthy of, and then was raised from the dead to justify those of THE faith in the sight of God. Blessed be His name! Many people address various religions as "this faith" or "that faith", but the Bible declares that there is "one faith" and this faith is in Jesus Christ our Lord. All other belief systems result in condemnation, with the stregth of the law of God as the Judge. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes unto the Father but by Him. Repent and believe the Gospel!
PS. Merry CHRISTmas brethren!

stephanos of TX 5:45PM December 25, 2009

The country is filled with people who don't want to be held responsible and wish to adhere to a lifestyle of moral relativism. If such a worldview is true, why the fuss? In fact, what's the point in having a government and laws?
If we want to "control ourselves", then let's stop fooling around when we know we can't afford to pay the consequences for doing so. Should we buy a puppy and then kill it when we realize we can't afford it?
Is it really the child's fault some families are in poverty? If poverty is the reason for abortion, let's fight against poverty. If it's rape, let's fight against sex crimes. If it's pregnancy complications (which are few now, though still possible), let's fund research to end such complications. Why kill an unborn human when he/she didn't have a say in the matter? What's the difference between this and the Holocaust?

Dr. Shade of NC 4:56PM December 23, 2009

If we have no souls then right and wrong change with the times and whatever is in vouge. If I have a 3 year old and get cancer and now that 3 year old is a burden, I can destroy it. I have known 3 women who had abortions and not one was to protect their health. All 3 were due to a child being an inconvienance!

T of NJ 10:21AM December 23, 2009

Holy books were written before it was known that breathing is an exchange of gases. Nobody knew trees exhale oxygen after taking in carbon dioxide breathed out from animal life. Because people stop breathing when they die, a wrong guess was made, that "something left the body at time of death." So the "soul" was invented, based on pure ignorance. Being a saint does not mean anybody is necessarily wise. It simply means the person "is in Heaven." There is no soul, so all religious claims about souls are 100% wrong. Abortion is not murder & all Prolife propaganda is based on lies, using doctored photos. They say early term fetuses are as big as a suckling pig when they're really the size of a navy bean. Prolifers don't read gynecology & obstetrics that describe diseases of bones, heart, kidneys, liver & other organs. For many women with those ailments, pregnancy is a death sentence. Many women can't safely be mothers. I was an early supporter of NARAL & Planned Parenthood because they preserve precious Constitutional rights of men and women to control our reproductive powers.

aura dawn veirs of CA 1:23AM December 23, 2009

Women should have the right to have an abortion. Please do not take this right away from us.
I am eighty years old and have seen many times when an abortion has help save my friends lives or sanity. Lyla Wilson

Lyla Wilson of CA 11:12PM December 22, 2009

Males can never be crippled or killed by an ectopic pregnancy that fastens itself somewhere except where it belongs. No male can bleed out from trying to pry out of his body a detested batch of cells. No male knows the reason for every abortion, although there are many. Some women have diseases of bones, the heart, kidneys, liver or other organs. They must abort or die. Abortion is not murder or a sin, but they are called that by tithe-dependent church employees. They believe every conception has the potential to become a believer. After that, a believer is expected to tithe ten per cent of lifetime income. It totals $600,000 if a person pays forty years on a yearly income of $40,000; For the same reason, church income, churches ban suicide because dead bodies do not tithe. Males can get any surgery they want, like Reagan having unwanted tissues removed, but pregnant women are denied access. As for Ban-Abortion doctors, nobody forces them to do abortions. Their hospitals can arrange assignments and give the work to ProChoice surgeons.

aura dawn veirs of CA 9:47PM December 22, 2009

Is it at conception, implantation, birth, or college graduation? i would like something more concrete than an uninformed opinion! If we are not Catholics we don't have Pope Pius's uninformed opinion to rely on.
All the arguments seem to be the self-centered ethical basis of the primacy of a woman's choice versus the unprovable opinion that humanness (read soul) starts at conception.
The debate on abortion is merely opinion. Moral values are based on either self-centered, God-based or society-based non-provable basic assumptions. For the Catholic viewpoint let me excerpt from the free ebook series “And Gulliver Returns” (http://andgulliverreturns.info) The Abortion chapter in Book 4 elaborates the pros and cons of the 3 ethical assumptions. Let me attempt to summarize the changing Catholic position. From the 13th Century the views of St. Thomas Aquinas, that male embryos got their souls about 4 weeks after conception, females somewhat later, were the standard. His was a Christianized view of Aristotle’s ideas.
The crux of the modern idea, that the soul is infused at conception, might be traced to St. Paul (Romans 5:12) who started tProf obhe ball rolling on ‘original sin.’ 500 years later St. Augustine popularized the idea. But the Blessed Virgin was born without original sin, her Immaculate Conception. Pope Pius IX declared this in 1854. Then in 1870 he decided that popes were infallible in church doctrine. So was his pronouncement retroactive?
Recent popes have generally followed Pius’s idea that the soul enters the zygote at the moment of conception. This brings with it some theological problems. Since many fertilized ova never implant in the uterus what happens to these little souls?
If you are really interested in the question, see the aforementioned chapter. It is done in detail.

ProfBob of CA 3:04PM December 22, 2009

The point here people is personal choice. Some people feel abortion is murder and some people do not. If you want to pay for it fine - if you do not want to fund it fine. I do not understand why the bill could not be written just that simply.
As usual, politics gets in the way of everything.

MA of CA 9:10PM December 21, 2009

It's quite simple, just give me a line on my tax forms that says I will pay for abortions. You don't have to, I will. Your lie is exposed. It's not about the money.
Abortion opponents simply want to use health care to advance their own agenda. So, give me the right to pay for it and I will, so will millions of other Americans who disagree with you.

Mark Anderson of FL 8:36PM December 21, 2009