Darwin Defenders Lash Out at Creationist Origin of Species

September 25, 2009 RSS Feed Print

By Dan Gilgoff, God & Country

Lots of Darwin defenders responded to my post about the new Creationist edition of Origin of Species. Needless to say, they're not pleased.

Here's Rick K:

Do the ends justify the means?

Is it acceptable to openly lie, so long as it is in defense of your particular religion?

Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort have chosen to defend their narrow version of Christianity by lying about evolution.

An obvious example is the statement: "the absence of any species-to-species transitional forms".

If you say, over and over again, to everyone you can, that "The Moon landing was a fake", some people who haven't bothered to look into the matter will accept what you say. It works for any falsehood. How much money and effort were spent saying "cigarettes are not bad for you." It's a lie, some people may believe the lie, but it's still a lie.

"There are no species-to-species transitional forms" is just such a lie.

The fossil record is FULL of transitional or intermediate forms. Evolutionary theory and geology have advanced so far that we can figure out where a potential "missing link" would have lived, when it would have lived and where fossils might be found. We then go to that place, dig, and find them. Google "Search for Tiktaalik" for an example of this.

We have so many transitional forms between reptile and mammal that for many of them, we can't tell if they are reptile-like mammals or mammal-like reptiles.

Divine Creation has no need of transitional species. Evolution demands them.

So the statement "there are no transitional forms" is a lie.

Is lying acceptable, if it is in defense of your image of god?

Tom Hammond writes:

um, Einstein is being repeatedly used by creationists as an example of someone with 'faith'... but he did not believe in god:

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)"

Einstein did not believe in creationism. he also believed in a deterministic universe (i.e. predetermined by natural laws) . . . a belief he later questioned when quantum mechanics became an ever more legitimate science. anyway, Kirk fails to really explain why educational institutions—especially universities—require non-atheist teachers/professors. If I am learning how to save someone's life, or how to design a building, I want the best teacher possible—his religion or lack thereof does not concern me.

And Dr. G. Hurd makes the case for Christians embracing Darwinism:

There are "transitional" or "intermediate" fossils literally by the ton. Museums and museum warehouses are stuffed with them. If we look for the tiny gradual changes over time in fossils, we need to look at the tiny organisms that preserve these sorts of changes. Examples abound in the marine sediments filled with foramifera, and ostracods. But, when we look at the large familiar critters, the tiny variations that added up over generations to new species are lost against the greater similarities. The scientific definition of many species today is difficult for the scientist, but easy for the sexually active members of the species. A recent example would be the "discovery" that the California Two Spotted Octopus was really two species. This was not news to the octopi. The physical difference, a two centimeter variation in their reproductive organs, would never leave a fossil in the first place. And finally, we do observe new species emerging, both in nature and in laboratory experiments.

Creationists like Ray Comfort harm Christianity by making it seem absurd. This was warned against by Thomas Aquinas (c.a. 1225-1274) who wrote, ". . . one should adhere to a particular explanation only in such measure as to be ready to abandon it if it be proved with certainty to be false, lest Holy Scripture be exposed to the ridicule of unbelievers, and obstacles be placed to their believing." Summa Theologica, Prima Pars, Q68. Art 1. (1273).

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Ya - there are soo many transitional forms that it prompted Stephen Gould to develop his "Punctuated Equilibrium" thesis (perhaps you've heard of him, Harvard, Cambrian Explosion, anything ringing a bell ?) He has also said that evolutionary theory is only capable of making GENERAL predictions at best (Campbell, vol3)

Second point, developing the "linkage", as you know is a matter of Taxonomy which is not an exact science by any means.

3rd point - did you happen to see the article in gardian.co.uk titled "Evolution: Charles Darwin was WRONG about the TREE OF LIFE" 1/29/2009 - written by as far as I know card carrying evolutionist . Seems the processes are "more complex" than originally though and that we may not really be able to create specific linkages after all - OH , that must hurt !

So ya - you got SOMETHING !

jeff of NJ of NJ 11:50PM February 02, 2010

Doesn't it figure that in order for so called ID proponents and creationists to make their point they have to LIE and CHEAT if only by omission of important chapters a book. After all, like all good Christians and Muslims, they are so sure in their own minds that God or Allah will forgive them that they can actually justify killing innocent women ind children in the name of God!! What a joke religion has played on the gullible enough to believe it.

Kyle of HI 12:33PM November 08, 2009

I'm not trying to provoke the wrath of god fearing Americans here (of which there are many), but you really can't use the Bible as evidence. First off, the Bible is not consistent. It doesn't even portray Jesus consistently much less provide a working description of the cosmos. In one Book Jesus is knocking over tables in a Jewish temple and scaring the living daylights of his followers, in the next he's a kitten, spreading love and happiness. In one Book Jesus preaches the empowerment of women, in another, he casts them down. Which is it? I'm seriously wondering?

The problem with the Bible is that it was written by (in the opinion of the worlds most respected scholars) SEVERAL different people and over the span of at least 50 years not to mention many, many years after the death of Jesus of Nazareth (possibly 100+). So tell me, are the authors (human beings) really so infallible that they simply get everything right 100 years after the death of Jesus without consultation with either themselves OR God? It's a book written by MAN. Man is capable of not only deceiving and being deceived, but of believing things that have no basis in reality. The Bible itself is a theory. Now, what can we do TODAY to prove the theory of Genesis in the Bible. As far as I understand: nothing.

"Some things have to be taken on faith" Fine. I have faith that certainty is more important than belief. You can BELIEVE in anything, but you can't support an argument with evidence that doesn't exist. When I have this conversation with my Christian friends they say "How do you know God doesn't exist" I say "I don't. But I also don't know if I'll be able to fly someday." It's IMPOSSIBLE to prove I CAN'T do something (for certain), but entirely possible (and indeed necessary) to prove that I CAN. (For example: "I can jump over that ravine." "No you can't." "Prove I can't." - Does this logic work in everyday life? Of course not.)

So now, if God revealed himself so readily 2000 years ago, why is he so shy today? Can't we collect some NEW evidence to support the existence of God? If you can't there is no real reason to believe he exists. I know it's scary to think that your parents, your grandparents, and your great-great grandparents COULD have been mistaken about God, but instead of defending their beliefs so blindly, why not HONOR them and try to discover the truth? I'm not saying that I have the truth, I'm simply saying that I need evidence to even make a claim for truth.

I have traveled to many different countries in this world, and spoken with successful, intelligent, KIND people who barely even ponder the existence of God. It seems strange that the quality of their character could be so great having never heard the wisdom or guidance of God. Not only that, I find it even more curious that the best Christians in the entire world, who happen to live in Africa, and pray harder every single day than you ever have, seem to have nothing to show for it. They die of Ma

Kyle of HI 11:21PM November 06, 2009

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Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report. He is the author of The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War, and is a former politics editor at beliefnet. E-mail Dan at godandcountry@usnews.com.

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