In Healthcare Debate, Subsidizing vs. Funding Abortion

August 3, 2009 RSS Feed Print

By Dan Gilgoff, God & Country

With congressional voting on the Democrats' healthcare bill delayed until September, expect social conservatives to use the lull to keep raising the specter of taxpayer-funded abortions as a reason to oppose Obamacare. "Washington D.C. bureaucrats and abortion industry lobbyists are trying to force YOU to pay for abortions," reads the Web site Stop the Abortion Mandate, a new clearinghouse for antiabortion groups, "through your tax dollars as part of their proposed trillion-dollar healthcare takeover."

But an amendment adopted by the House Energy and Commerce Committee last week extends the federal ban on government-funded abortions, except in the very rare cases in which it's already permitted. The amendment also prohibits the government from requiring abortion coverage as part of the basic benefits plan from health insurers participating in the health insurance exchange. Even in the public insurance option, government funds are not to be used for abortions, in accordance with the decades-old congressional ban on federally funded abortions, known as the Hyde amendment.

So are antiabortion activists' objections to the Democratic healthcare bill all red herrings? No. Activists worry that a bevy of new healthcare plans available through the proposed healthcare exchange will cover abortion—even if not required to do so by the government—which could lead to more abortions. And they note that the Capps amendment bans money for abortion only so long as Congress decides to keep passing the Hyde amendment, which must be reauthorized every year.

The bigger concern is that an infusion of billions of federal dollars into the healthcare system would amount to a huge abortion subsidy, even if the government can't directly finance abortions. If the government is helping underwrite health insurance plans that offer abortion, the argument goes, that's an abortion subsidy, even without official government-funded abortion.

But I think there's an important distinction between taxpayer-funded abortion and the idea of federally subsidized abortion, an idea that a lot of liberals say is bunk. Uncle Sam, many liberals say, is either funding abortions or not. What do you think?

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3/21/2010

As you can see our elected officials are paying little attention to the public. As I reach out to my computer and I knock , knock, knock on the screen, and I say is there any body out there?

This Health Care issue keeps taking turns and twist that bewilder the mind in thoughts. This $100 trillion dollar system ,as it would seem, I am counting up to $ 8 trillion 682 billion Dollars so far. On guy emailed me and he is up to $27 Trillion dollars.

You see when Harry Reid added a extra ....almost, $2 Trillion dollars in a tax forum, this through my numbers off with the 1 to 3 year spread of taxes.

Lets show you this way seeing how I run out of fingers to count on and I do not feel like taking my shoes off.....

to get a $4 Trillion dollar tax spread, it is based at a 0.25% up to 4 years.

To be able to see the amount taxed in one year as a whole at 50% is around $8.2 Trillion to $8.8 Trillion, please remember according to Government Officials this is to be a spread tax, 3 to 10 years.. There is over 10 thousand companies I have not even got to yet.

President Obama has stated that he is against taxing the Health Care Industry...the link and story is next...

1.Politico Live: Romer: Obama is against taxing health care ...

Mar 15, 2009 ... Posted By: Obama Will Tax Healthcare | March 15, 2009 at 12:23 PM ..... Just think of the most evil high school teacher you ever had, ...

{Members of Arizonans Against the Hidden Health Care Tax} As for theses hidden taxes, they are not hidden. They are built into a split petition. They are meant not to be seen, only revealed as the Progressive Capital Tax Forum works the system in order to not over burden the money system. What is lost is trust because Government Officials by considering the public slow witted and as for this Bill, I want to read the Law that is to represent the Bill. This is because one word has a directive and a code and a sentence can lead to a different truth in concept.

Health care bill's hidden tax on pain relievers, Pedialyte, and ...

Dec 22, 2009 ... And ironically, this tax that will raise health care costs substantially ... While an over-the-counter drug is less expensive than the prescription ... chronic health problems by regularly taking an over-the-counter medicine. ... Ironically, the liberals and Democrats who normally rail against big ...

www.openmarket.org/.../health-care-bills-hidden-tax-on-pain-relievers-pedialyte-and-prenatal-

I ask you again to type in www.fascmovement.mysite.com in to to web search,{Results 1 - 10 of about 6,730 for www.fascmovement.mysite.com and you will see over 6000 post from aol, google and yahoo, by our friends and supporters plus ,page 19. pay it forward covers the web ,Please visit us on google.com and search for www.fascmovement.mysite.com. All we ask is that you PAY IT FORWARD. Henry Massingale . Threr is over 10,000 post that are active from over 6 months ago..

www.fascmovement.mysite.com/blank_16.html - Cached

Our goal is to start a trickle effect and the goal is President Obama and this Bill to Law. To merge 250 million veiws for a honest Health Care reform. The trickle effect is , Email President Barack Obama

Mar 20, 2009 ... How to contact President Barack Obama and other White House Officials.

www.emailthepresident.com/ - Cached – Similar

When many different views are emailed but not united in a course of action, government Officials do not pay attention. Within the our web site is the views of around 173 million people. Interfaced with the net. This was not a easy task, over 6 months work. Its like this, when I wrote The "International Boycott Of The Arabic Drug Empire" Some say that a boycott is a waist of time and never achieves its goal..... Really, When words written hold truth the people will sit back and their mind will open. Just read and see, truth of words....

As for this economy and the jobs needed, I offer 3 job concepts that will build cities and a strategic placement of Mini Factories where they will support the needs of that town or city. The Adam Walsh School Communities, 52 Communities/ Schools, in each State, to get theses children off of the street before they become tomorrows criminals. The Great Wall Of China to our west, to close off our back door before the enemy walks across the border with that bomb they bought for the price of a Refrigerator. At the same time this Wall will bring life to that region on both sides of the boarder. David Krieger: Nuclear Terrorism and US Nuclear Policy

February 13, 2002. Sen. Russ Feingold War Powers and the War on Terror ... Aisha Ikramuddin on the Hidden Hype of US Food Bombs ... Most Robust Heroin Market and Helped to Finance the Rise of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden ... Since the likelihood of a terrorist using a missile to launch a nuclear attack against ...

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There has been so much of this God vs. the evil Health Care Plan that I wanted to see if people would allow me to be Gods Arbitrary, to Represent Him, and his views. Oh Im sorry, who am I to speak in behalf of God. I am a Hinzes 57 mix, Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black with my mentality.

So what is your vote :

Everywhere I turn people Bible thump in the name of God over this Health Care issue. So lets do this....

In United States

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

1 First Street, N.E., Washington, D.C. 20543.

As acting arbitrary: I will write His words as best I can.

Plaintiff ,God: vs. Defendants Republican and Democrat Party

On this day of March 17, 2010, God has filed the following complaint that

#1; That 2020 years ago my Son stated that to let Cesurer have that which is his.

#2; The leaders of this Country have lost their way and this economy that is spoken of to me in prayers is of concern to all. It is of a moral offense for Cesurer to tax that which is not his.

#3. You have placed my name on your money as In God We trust and as of this tax for the Name of Money my Name is lost.

#4.Cesurer must sit down with these people as a one, it is said they who ready to fight in court, that which you wish to tax and work on a forum that is in the creative life of what this Health Care Is For. Become as one again with the People.

#5 The People of this Country will step forward to help and all you have to do is believe in Me and ask theses people for help.....

#6; You have created Laws against me within the lives of children and I do not harbor ill well, the lost vision of what this Country was built on in My Name is broken because of the lost connection between what Governing Officials use to be and the people once stood for.....

#7; Unite this Bill with the Freedom Of Choice to be or not within, rebuild the life of this land of yours, These people will come forward. and help put a balance back into that which is lost....

Health Care within a moral value, is to ,

{ GIVE LIFE TO HOPE WHERE THERE IS NONE }

Henry Massingale

FASC Concepts in and for Pay It Forward

www.fascmovement.mysite.com on google. yahoo, and Aol.com

please take the time and visit all my new friends on the net and if you wish to post with FASC Concepts you will be most welcomed. So join us and share your ideas as one in one voice.

Henry Massingale of FL 1:51PM March 21, 2010

If an entity has a heartbeat, my position is that it has a soul.

Taking that life by any means whatever is murder.

Even before that, given normal natal circumstances, the entity will become a child.

Will that child bring happiness and worh to the world? Will he or she be a gutter bum or the president or the one on the team to cure cancer?

How can anyone deny the opportunity for this person's destiny to be played out?

But the murderers are dressed in nice suits and live high on the hog.

And you don't believe there's evil in the world?

Please.

Stop the madness.

Stop federally funding this unspeakable evil.

David Brooks of CA 8:22AM March 16, 2010

Thanks, Lou, for the heads up on the Hyde petition. I went and signed it and will let others know. For you anti-choicers: remember, abortion is legal in this country and need not be treated differently from other health care issues. Further, this is a WOMEN's issue, so anti-choice men can butt out. Religious objections? That's fine, but don't try to foist your religious values on the rest of us.

TMazz of VT 1:12PM November 08, 2009

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Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report. He is the author of The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War, and is a former politics editor at beliefnet. E-mail Dan at godandcountry@usnews.com.

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