Consensus Between Gays and Religious Conservatives?

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Focus on the Family's CitizenLink has posted a fascinating interview with Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International—the largest ministry aimed at getting gays and lesbians to "leave homosexuality"—and the author of the new book Leaving Homosexuality. What striking is that Chambers is not promoting so-called conversion therapy, which some religious conservatives claim can convert gays and lesbians to a straight sexual orientation. Rather, he acknowledges that, for gays and lesbians, homosexual attraction never goes away. But he suggests that homosexuals can resist those urges through Christianity:

CHAMBERS: The key thought here is the opposite of homosexuality isn't heterosexuality. It's holiness. There are people who are conflicted with their sexuality, involved with homosexuality, and there is a way out for those who want it. But it doesn't say that they're going into heterosexuality, because that's not the point. The point is that people can leave whatever it is that God calls less than His best and move into something that is His best, becoming more like He is.

CitizenLink: Now, I've heard it, and you've heard it: Gay activists are going to read that and say, again, "Alan Chambers is living a lie. He's suppressing who he really is." You make a great point in the book that is very applicable to anyone who struggles with any temptation—and that is, self-denial isn't a bad thing. How do you respond to those who say you're just living a lie?

CHAMBERS: For so long I've heard gay activists say to me, "You're just in denial. You're not grasping the reality of the situation. You're just denying who you really are." The truth is, I am in denial, but it is self-denial. I'm not in denial of who I used to be. I'm not in denial of the temptations that I could still experience. I am denying the power that sin has over me.

I asked Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign—the nation's largest gay rights group—about this conservative faith-based approach toward homosexuality. He hasn't read Chambers's book, but Solmonese offered some qualified praise for the shift away from promoting conversion therapy:

"It marks a pretty significant shift in the dangerous idea that the Exodus crowd was putting forward: that it was possible to change and to no longer be gay. They were attempting to do that by shaming people, getting them to deny who they were. Anybody who goes through that process realizes that it's simply not possible to change who you are. So it marks an important shift that there is an acknowledgment that you can't stop being gay.

"And I'm going to respect people's religious views, and if someone says, 'I acknowledge that I am gay and will always be gay, but am going to live within context of Scripture as I view it and not act on that,' I think that's sad—it is denying my view, which is that we are all God's children and are formed in his image—but at the very least it's a shift in thinking. It's not something I agree with but something that I'm willing to respect if somebody else decides to live with it.

"Everybody is entitled to live their lives in the way they see fit. So if [Chambers] is moving to a place that says, 'This is who we are and who we're born to be, and it's not possible to change us,' then I guess one has to see that as a step in the right direction."

Of course, Chambers isn't going that far. He argues that it is possible for gays to leave homosexuality, even if they don't become heterosexuals.

But I wonder if Chambers's and Solmonese's remarks reflect some common ground emerging between religious conservatives and the LGBT community around homosexuality—one that rejects conservatives' former support for conversion therapy but also rejects the idea among some gay advocates that conservative religious homosexuals must cast off their faith and embrace their sexual orientation.

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The early Christian Church was Greek in origin but evolved into something Roman. It aligned with the military might of the great Empire and accordingly dragged that militant spirit into its theology. Sadly, in fulfilling the law, it lost the Spirit of the law. It became an instrument of religious hatred. Greece gave us great philosophers. Even the Romans emulated them. Think of Socrates. He was individualistic, alone in many ways, which gave rise to his sagacious philosophy. The key is "individualism." He was forced to commit suicide; in effect, he was murdered. He was accused of contaminating the people with his beliefs. He chose not to challenge the status quo but in obedience submitted to its authority. . . just for speaking his mind and the truth. Sound like Anyone else you know?

"Gay" is just a word for something that has always been a part of the family of man. Diversity is challenging for conservative Christians, because it requires a "self-emptying" of egoism, elitism and vanity in order to practise the precepts of Jesus. Diversity expands the family of man beyond the comfort zone for some. It requires of them personal responsibility in sifting out the truth of their faith--the real Gospel. People shirk responsibility and, like lambs to slaughter, prefer to be led around. Also, the modern evangelical movement in America has a capitalistic agenda hidden behind the pretext of religion, that is, its hierarchy does. This agenda has entered the political arena, and it is dangerous. Does it rimind you of another scenario in space and time? A lust for power and privilege born of pride and prejudice is a recipe for disaster: fascism. You don't think it can happen now? Think again.

William of IN 4:42AM November 20, 2009

We are all adults. We must all stand before the judgement seat of Christ. Lets not bash one another on the head with biblical facts or versus. If a being is troubled with their sexual identity and wants to be helped by the christian community then shut the hell up and let them get help. If they want to hang at the local and pick up a trick for the night, let them be. Mind your own business and let each and everyone find their way. Some lead to the kingdom of heaven and some to the pit of hell. I am not saying who's is who's. Thats up to God to decide should you so believe. If you dont, shut up. If you do shut up. Each and everyone of us will stand before the lord. You as an individual must decide whether you believe or dont. You alone must account for your life, no one else can. If you remember... seek the answer and you shall find it. Seek and ye shall find. Look, be aware, wake up. Stop blaming one another for your problems, take accountability for your own actions. Plant seeds and let them take root. Knock and the door will be opened. When the door is slammed in your face, wipe your feet and move on. For you struggling with the pains of life, close your mind and open your heart. Shut out the world and allow the spirit of God to enter within you. Pick who you want to serve and serve. If you get it wrong, its never too late to do what is right. WHATS RIGHT??? SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND. To all those not struggling, shut the hell up and let the man woman or child stand alone, they will find their way. Help them when you can. God has called them to his kingdom long before you and I were ever in the world, so stop with the name calling. The bible bashing. Love one another as yourselves. It was the final law/commandment. Follow that one and you wont break the other 10 or so. But here is the law on sex. If you are engaged in a sexual practice outside the bonds of marriage, you are committing an abomination. It dont matter if its same sex, tri sex, hetero sex... ITS SEX. Not to be shared outside of marriage, a word created by the bible. By God between a woman and a man. Yes it really sucks that we have same sex emotions and feelings that are so strong it leads us to sin by the bible standard. GET OVER IT!!! Obey the law or be judged in the end. It is your decision. You have to account for what you do in the flesh. I have to account for what I do in the flesh. It is my cross and I bear it daily, you do the same, leave the judgment to Christ. Its His throne, his kingdom and his universe. Whether you like it or not. In the mean time, love one another as I love you, as you love yourself, as your mother and father love you, as you love your child. Love Peace Mercy and Grace, that is the way of it. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

Sincerely

The Volta

Troy of MN 12:38AM September 17, 2009

Dr. Shade, I wont argue with you. There is no reason to do that. The thing we need to do is admit that we dont agree, accept that we dont understand everything and accept eachother as humans with differing views. I can not say that I know what God knows or why He created everything with such differing characteristics...I just know that He loves us all and wants us to love eachother....On another note, have you watched the HBO series TRUE BLOOd? Interesting how this series is similar to how some people treat gay people (esp. those who say they are Christian....very interesting). Good luck and I hope your life becomes more loving and respectful of others sir.

jcam of AR 1:37PM August 11, 2009

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