Debt Fight Reinforces China's Negative Views of America

The dramatic debate could add to China's negative perceptions of democracy

July 15, 2011 RSS Feed Print
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Heated arguments. Name-calling. Sudden exits. Drama and disquiet have been par for the course in Washington these days as the August 2 debt ceiling deadline draws nearer. Americans, for the most part, are used to the fractious nature of Congress and might argue it's all worth it in the name of democracy. But China—which buys more of America's debt than any other country—sees it differently.

In the past few weeks, both Republicans and Democrats have warned about what could happen domestically if Congress and President Obama don't reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling. Social security and unemployment checks won't come. Parts of the government will shut down. Interest rates will go up. Spending could spiral even more out of control. But perhaps worst of all, countries around the world will no longer see American Treasuries—and America itself—as the world's safest place to park money. For China, which some experts say is bent on discrediting America's democratic system, that potential weakening of America could be an ego boost back home.

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"To the extent that China ever looked at democracy as a venerable institution, they're kind of revising their opinions on things," says Charles Freeman, the Freeman Chair in China Studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "What's been happening for the past couple years really is a relative sense of Chinese superiority and a relative U.S. decline, and this would certainly reinforce that."

Already there's been some indication. Mirroring downgrade warnings from two of America's top credit agencies, Moody's and Standard and Poor's, Chinese rating company Dagong weighed in Thursday, placing the United States' sovereign credit rating on its "negative watch list." With the move, the company released a sour report of the American economy. Dagong wrote about "the industrial hallowing-out" and "a lack of endogenous driving force" within the American economy, highlighting the "insufficiency of the U.S. capability to create real wealth." It also criticizes "the government's insufficient economic management capability."

A report released Thursday from Reuters suggests that Dagong itself has a questionable standing among its peers worldwide. But, even so, such talk within China's borders could affect how the United States is viewed there. "They're very worried about the level of friction they're seeing over the issue," says Freeman. "Before the financial crisis, they looked at us [like] we had all the answers. Sometimes what we did didn't make sense, but [they thought] there must be some underlying strategy to it. These days, they're just looking at us and going, 'Gosh, these guys are just a chaotic mess."

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Illinois Republican Sen. Mark Kirk, co-chair of the Senate's U.S.-China working group, says that although China is set to eclipse the United States as the world's leading economic power by around 2025, it is still very much an export-dependent economy. The possibility of American default, then, has them worried. "China is overwhelmingly becoming a status quo power, whose interests are in stability. When they look at the U.S. debt debate, I think their strongest interest is in a smooth transition, so they do not want to see a world in which both the Euro and the dollar are in crisis," he says.

Despite perceptions, the reality is that U.S.-China business ties won't likely change in the short term. For starters, the United States, even in the absence of a deal, probably won't default on its debt. And, even in the off-chance that it does temporarily, China would probably continue to buy U.S. Treasuries anyway. According to Peter Morici, an economist at the University of Maryland, without better investment options available in the global market, the Chinese will still need to buy U.S. dollars and bonds in order to keep the value of their own currency low. "This is part of China's game to beat us economically," he says. "But in terms of changing the substance of the relationship? No. It's all theatrics."

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Wow, Muser, you are one messed up dude. Alliances between union people and church people to right the gov't ship? That's laughable. Unions have weakened themselves by bleeding their hosts dry with higher and higher salary demands, while delivering lower and lower quality. All in the face of international competition. They have destroyed several industries (and would have recently destroyed automotive, if Obama had not stolen the companies out from under the investors and handed it to the unions. Unions haven't righted a ship (any ship) in forty years.

Church people come in all colors and political stripes. I'm not sure where you're going with that idea, but church people have not traded in the Gospel for Trump, Norquist, Rand, or anyone else. You would have to be pretty small-minded to think they have. Republicans have recently returned to their fiscal conservative roots, which is good for the country's future. Unfortunately, we have the most fiscally-liberal minded president since LBJ. And apparently the failures of LBJ are not going to discourage Obama from going down the same path in his socialist scheme to re-distribute wealth.

What's clear from the debt ceiling debate is that Obama has no intention of cutting spending of any type. He refuses to even listen to the recommendations from his own debt reduction commission--how sad is that? Obviously, he just wanted to "look responsible"; he doesn't feel any need to "be responsible". He'll put something like Social Security on the table, and then give up all leadership responsibility to propose anything specific. He has lots of specifics about raising taxes, right down to how much he'll collect on every private jet sale. He has no specifics on budget cuts, because he doesn't plan to have any. The democrats have supported this idea by proposing $53 billion in additional spending to go with the debt ceiling increase.

I have no problem with a slight and gradual increase in taxes to go along with huge reductions in federal spending. Obama's proposal to tax corporate jets is irresponsible, however, just like Clinton's attempt to tax luxury boats. Wealthy Americans simply went to the Bahamas and bought luxury boats from the Dutch. Not only did a lot of boat-makers go out of business (and a lot of blue-collar jobs evaporated, plus we exported a lot of cash to other countries), but we lost the technological know-how to make luxury boats after the idiocy ended.

One more thing: Obama has not even begun to tap into the spending reductions possible from cutting salary and benefits of federal workers. When the recession hit, almost everyone in the private sector took a hit on their salaries, benefits, or job security. State and local governments have to have a balanced budget, so they started laying off excess workers. The federal gov't has done essentially none of that. The solution has always been to print more money.

chemE of FL 10:28PM July 30, 2011

What I would think would cause them to have a more negative view of us is the amount of money we spend compared to what we bring in. It's our spending that's the problem, not our politics.

It's amazing to see how much money the U.S. spends when you show what YOUR budget would look like if you were to spend like the United States does.

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MeadowsGertrude of KY 5:19PM July 18, 2011

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