Bush Lawyers Used U.S. Military Training to Justify CIA Interrogation Techniques

April 17, 2009 RSS Feed Print

In justifying the legality of controversial CIA interrogation techniques, the Bush administration's Justice Department relied heavily on one of the U.S. military's own training programs, newly released memos on government interrogation techniques reveal. The Survival Evasion Resistance Escape, or SERE, course is designed primarily for pilots and Special Forces soldiers who are at high risk of capture and interrogation.

Four legal memos released yesterday by the Justice Department in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit outline in graphic detail the methods used to interrogate suspected terrorists and include numerous techniques used in SERE training. The techniques outlined in the memos range from sleep deprivation to hand slaps to the face, but perhaps the most severe and controversial is a simulated drowning procedure known as waterboarding.

Bush administration lawyers asserted in these legal opinions that waterboarding is "not physically painful." But Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee also wrote on Aug. 1, 2002, that its use does "constitute a threat of imminent death." He added, "The waterboard is simply a controlled acute episode, lacking the connotation of a protracted period of time generally given to suffering."

The memos point to the thousands of military trainees who have undergone waterboarding during the SERE training. Few reported any lasting mental trauma, the memos say. The absence of such lingering effects, the lawyers argue, shows that the technique did not violate prohibitions against torture. "There is no evidence for such prolonged mental harm in the CIA's experience with the technique, and we understand that it has been used thousands of times (albeit in a somewhat different way) during the military training of United States personnel, without producing any evidence of such harm," one memo notes.

President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder both announced that CIA interrogators would not face legal sanction because their actions had been sanctioned by the Justice Department.

But the legal reliance on the experiences of SERE trainees raises other issues. During the SERE training, students are free to quit and leave the course, which the memos note has occurred in several instances after SERE students were waterboarded.

But for the Bush administration lawyers, the absence of widely documented lingering mental and physical effects in the purely voluntary SERE training course was enough to satisfy the prohibition against "lasting mental harm" outlined in antitorture conventions and domestic U.S. law. "Although there are obvious differences between training exercises and actual interrogations, the fact that the United States uses similar techniques on its own troops for training purposes strongly suggests that these techniques are not categorically beyond the pale," one memo says.

But there too, the memos acknowledge problems with comparing the results of the SERE training to the interrogation of suspects who could not be certain whether their lives were in peril. "SERE training does not involve repeated applications of the waterboard," one memo notes.

Both the CIA and President Bush previously acknowledged publicly that interrogators used waterboarding on three detainees. Over the years, numerous reports have surfaced—mostly attributed to unnamed intelligence officials—that one of the detainees, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, was subjected to the procedure only for a few minutes or a few seconds. But the new memos reveal that "the CIA used the waterboard extensively" during his interrogation, although it does not offer additional details .

Another key difference between the CIA program and the SERE training is that SERE students are not subjected to the combined use of the CIA's techniques, which included forced nudity, extended dietary manipulation, forced stress positions, sleep deprivation, and other techniques "which are intended to 'create a state of learned helplessness,' " according to the memos.

This combination of techniques did raise some internal concerns, according to the memos, but the lawyers eventually concluded that with "the interrogation team's diligent monitoring of the effects of combining interrogation techniques, interrogators would not reasonably expect that the combined use of the interrogation methods under consideration, subject to the conditions and safeguards set forth here...would result in severe physical or mental pain or suffering."

The lawyers note uncertainty about how their legal analysis would stand up if challenged in court. "Given the paucity of relevant precedent and the subjective nature of the inquiry, we cannot predict with confidence whether a court would agree with this conclusion," Bybee writes.

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Bush administration,
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OK, so while there are those who just gasp at the methods used to get information, they have had the luxury of being informed by a biased very left media who lives for sensationalizing pain for the chance to get a rating hike or sell another subscription. The days of moral journalism have been long gone since Nam. If it's got a lack of morality or blood and guts then it can be spun into a golden web of out ethic and subjective rant which is mostly dramatized for profit. The problem with war nowadays is that it's no longer fought with spirit. Before any mission is approved, I wonder if there isn't some politician running it by a publisher for impact value in the marketplace!

Our men and women are giving their best and there lives so that they can be scrutinized? As far as I am concerned the middle east has existed long before we came on the scene. I don't think I have any of the answers, but the thought of "imposing" the current perverted version of democracy on ANYONE is really doomed to fail from the onset. I used to think that we, as Americans, could make a difference on any landscape, but now the true American is a person without a country, because this one has turned into nothing more than a neopolitan blend of off world cultures that have blurred the very soveriegnty and way of life that was once the world's crown jewel.

I sincerely hope that people realize that placating the American people, while making deals with the countries who's ideologies encourage the unconditional hatred and disdain they have for us, is going to end badly for Americans. We should withdraw and let them fight it out between themselves. If the ROE are dictated by public pressure then the military should not be there, as political and public opinion has tied their hands and painted targets on them.

As the media gives it to us, they tell us that the enemy reported "x" number of women and children as majoroty casualties. Guess what? Women and children are participating and they believe in what they are doing. Remember, they believe they are on a mission from God. To them, they fight in a Jihad (Holy sanctioned war), they don't care about anything but death to the enemy as being honorable. I believe that if Islamic fundamentalists are behind this, then Islam should be responsible for their own. Instead our troops wind up being their beast of burden. And to top it off, a muslim gets elected to be OUR leader. So, the fox guards the henhouse.

What needs to happen is this needs to get settled from "on high", half a dozen strategically placed 50 kiloton messages delivered simultaniously should do the trick. But instead, in true Modern American fashion, our politicians will make nice and continue to turn the other cheek until there is no face left. If you take what Obama's up to right now, we are there already:

The economy is all but stalled. The middle class has been replaced by illegal aliens supported by liberal welfare.

America has lost her soveriegnty...

The Sage of NV 5:04AM June 05, 2009

your country's criminal interrorgatin methods are inhumaine so stop using the techniuges okay!!!!!!

will 8:45PM June 03, 2009

This is what people want, the ends without the means. The problem is that none of this is close enough to home. It's an abstract media circus which is easy to apply innefectual philosphy to. Now try this: Pick your parent, spouse or child. Someone kidnaps them. Four of your neighbors saw "Man A" stuff your loved one in a trunk of a vehicle driven by "Man B." It drives off. A day later, the police catch Man A and take him to the station but he's not talking. They bring you and your family down to the station and the police tell you that they have ways to make him tell them where your loved one is, but you have to authorize it.

You honestly give a crap if they're going to put this guy on a board with a towel over his face and simulate drowning him to find out where your kid is? NO! NO you don't. Lie to yourself if you like. In fact, if they gave you a list of methods, to include giving this guy a manicure with pliars and acid, you probably couldn't sign the authorization fast enough. See at this point YOU'RE at war. Now it's close to home. You suddenly have a vested interest. Our government has a vested interest in protecting its people. Don't worry, you'll probably have a chance to taste this when your beloved Obama releases tons of terrorists from GTMO into our populace and pays them.

This is why some people could never enforce law, be in the military or protect anything other than their own self-indulgent, ridiculous notions of right and wrong. When the rubber meets the road they are nothing more than sheep.

Frank of CA 4:21PM May 29, 2009

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