The Home Front

Housing Rumble: Do You Need an Agent? (Day 5)

By Luke Mullins

Posted: July 18, 2008

Welcome to Day 5 of the Home Front's new Housing Rumble feature, a regular series that will match up opposing sides of an issue in an online debate format and let readers decide the winner.

The current Rumble features Jay Thompson, a blogger and real estate broker in Phoenix, and Greg Healy, vice president of operations at ForSaleByOwner.com, a Web-based company that markets the homes of independent sellers.

The subject: "Do you need a real estate agent to sell your home?"

Here's a recap of the action so far, in case you're just tuning in:

Thompson, you're up:

From Jay Thompson:

Final rebuttal

Those that are pro-FSBO [for sale by owner] invariably bring up two points, and my opponent has proven no different. It's always the mystical—and incorrect—6% commission, and the fact that an attorney can draft contracts and closing documents.

My previous point wasn't that commissions are 5.12%. The point was they are NOT 6%. They aren't ANY fixed percentage. Commissions are negotiable. If you can't negotiate a commission agreement with an agent, how do you expect to negotiate the price of a home and contractual terms with a buyer?

Yes, an attorney can draft documents. But is that same attorney going to negotiate terms and conditions with buyers and other parties? Is your attorney going to market your home, or help educate you in the nuances of selling a home in markets like we face today? Ask your attorney how much they charge to prequalify your buyers. Ask your attorney for access to their database of hundreds to thousands of potential buyers.

Yes, someone can sell (or buy) a home without an agent. I can also rebuild my own transmission, cut my own hair, and even represent myself in a court of law. Personally, I'd rather leave all those to an experienced professional who does it every day, and does it far better than I'll ever hope to.

Greg asks me to explain "why agents don't allow their clients to sell through an agent and simultaneously sell 'for sale by owner.' "

I can't explain that because I do allow for exactly that. Not to beat a dead horse, but commissions are negotiable. It's quite simple to write a variable commission schedule into a listing agreement. We do it all the time. Thousands of agents do it every day.

Greg himself said: "(unrepresented) buyers can get a better deal on homes, as they can negotiate the commission savings into a lower offer and sales price."

He's right. Buyers are smart. Sell FSBO, and they will want some of your savings. So how exactly is all this commission being saved by FSBOs?

I'll close this debate with a couple of quotes. From Laura on my blog:

"I'm an attorney with transactional real estate experience and I won't buy or sell a house without an experienced agent. Nobody ever wants to hire a lawyer, either, but think they can do it themselves until the damage is already done."

And this one; "He who represents himself has a fool for a client."

Healy, back to you tomorrow.

DD

Okay, so here is a major problem with agents. Sellers overprice their homes to account for commission. Say a house is priced at $266,000 with 3/3 split of 6%, and both agent and seller know the house would fly at $250,000. As $250,000 adds greater exposure (in other words, it can appear at both the top or bottom end of a search), listing a house for $250k on a solid FSBO site (in a location where FSBO is strong) offers close to the same end price for the seller if no negotiations are made. The seller could come down to $250k with the agent, but why would he or she? Why not wait until the listing expires and list for 250k FSBO?

P.S. I love the idiots who would price the house at $249,900. Why the HECK would you do that when you get increased exposure at $250,000? What are houses...check out aisle snacks?

of IL @ Aug 15, 2008 02:01:16 AM

bad representation

Bad representation is far worse than no representation at all !!!!

If you are going to use an agent than choose the agent wisely!!!----otherwise do it yourself and then you will only have yourself to thank or blame.

Bad teachers, bad lawyers, bad doctors, bad dentists, and bad real estate agents all can do much more harm than had they left well enough alone.

Joe of CT @ Jul 20, 2008 14:17:58 PM

Safety Issue

Jim - I agree completely that I should have raised the safety issue. It's huge. My wife is an agent and I worry about her every time she shows. We take a lot of steps to prevent problems, particularly with new clients, but you never know...

Why didn't I raise it? I don't know. I just grow so weary of the "6% argument". The safety issue was raised previously on other comments on other posts, so I knew it was at least covered, even if I didn't make the point.

In hindsight, I wish I'd not worried so much about trying to counter my opponents arguments.

I would also have loved to have done a specific math example of why the common argument of how much a FSBO saves is usually false.

And another point I *really* wanted to make was on the Stanford article my opponent mentioned. That article looked at the differences between using an agent or not for homes *on* the campus of Stanford University and available *only* to Standford employees. That is a VERY small and specialized niche. My opponent used the study because it shows that those selling homes on Stanford didn't make any less money than those using an agent. What he failed to mention was anything about the size of the possible buyer pool, or the fact that Stanford University makes those "listings" available to every possible buyer. That doesn't compare apples and oranges. It doesn't even compare fruits and vegetables.

I couldn't get to everything unfortunately. I only had three posts that were a max of 400 words each. That's not a whole lot of space... Your fabulous comment for example, is 445 words.

Thanks Jim *and everyone else!) for contributing!

Jay Thompson of AZ @ Jul 19, 2008 12:12:13 PM

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