Do Brokers Deserve Their Fat Commissions?

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MLS and other issues

Chet of ME says that the consumers should have access to the MLS. You do. Free. There are thousands of websites out there that pull thier listings directly from the hundreds of MLS boards in this country. Hmmm--I wonder who pays for those boards in the form of dues, fees, etc? I wonder who pays the cost of acquiring those listings, and I wonder who pays to maintain those listings, and I wonder who pays FOR THE MLS SERVICE TO BEGIN WITH, and I wonder who pays the fees associated for listing on/selling a property through an MLS service? You, know what I'm talking about--that MLS service the consumer wants access to for free? Who pays the piper? Could it be your lazy, overpaid real estate agent who does nothing to earn her seemingly high commission?

Oh, and what about all those secondary sites that pull thier listings from the various MLS systems so the consumer can see them--for free? These sites then hit up the individual listing agents to the tune of THOUSANDS of dollars a year to allow them to "enhance" their own listings on their service. If the agent doesn't "enhance," then the lead they have worked so hard to get and maintain will go to an agent other than the listing agent. They will go to an agent who has--hold on to your hat--PAID A FEE--to get those leads.

So, let me lay this out for you in simple terms. I, as an agent, advertise for leads. I get a lead, I do a presentation. I get the listing. I then process the listing myself (and am therefore not able to be soliciting new business because I've become my own administrative assistant). Or, I pay staff to process the listing. I hire the photographer. I order the virtual tour for the consumer to view online for free. I do flyers, signs, open houses, ads, agent luncheons, enhance websites, maintain office and personal websites and post my listing there, post online classifieds (or pay someone to do it--it's very time consuming). I'll then have to repost these classifieds, some weekly. Have I mentioned that as the agent, I've not been paid a dime for this listing and everything I've mentioned above costs money and time?

Then, the property doesn't sell. Or the contract falls through due to financing. Or the seller decides that he wants a new REALTOR because the home has not gotten an offer. The agent gets nothing for all her time and money spent on the listing. When listings fail to sell or close it can be for thousands of reasons, rarely of which is the lack of a professional agent doing her job.

So, to address the issue of commision rates remaining consistent while the prices of homes have gone up, therefore allowing the individual agents to make a killing for doing next to nothing, I beg to disagree. As the home prices have risen, so has everything else. I bet most people reading this have had a pay raise during the last ten years. I bet it's been more than a few dollars, too. Why arn't realtors allowed a pay raise? Gone are the days of pocket listings (in most markets). An agent can no longer take a listing, do nothing more than post a sign in the yard and tell a few buddies in the office about their great new listing and then cruise to the closing table.

Good agents must be on the front edge of the latest technology (and therefore pay the price that's associated with that), have a very efficient office staff (that the agent, not the broker, pays for), and still maintain all the necessary subscriptions, memberships, educational requirements, advertising, and lead generation tools that were unheard of in real estate years ago. It all costs. So, in brief, the expenses an agent pays per transaction has skyrocketed in recent years as the available (and necessary) auxillary services he/she must subscribe to and provide to the client have increased. So, expenses are WAY up over what they were when I got into real estate twelve years ago.

Also, another problem is the influx of agents into the business. When times get tough economically, historically there has been a rush of newbies in the business. Of course, we're seeing the opposite now, but in a normal business economy anyone who can fog a mirror and needs a few extra dollars or a career change would jump on the real estate band wagon in search of quick big bucks having no idea of what is takes to be a real estate professional. How this hurts us all (agents and the public) is this: these thousands of agents who give real estate "a try" take thousands of transactions away from the serious agents in the market. Gee, if each professional, serious, full time agent could maintain a steady inventory of listings and ready buyers, then economics would prevail. But instead, so many transactions are lost to "part time" agents or those agents who are "just giving real estate a try" that it cuts into the income stream of the "real agents." Hence, professional agents have to maintain their commission rate instead of cutting it in order to stay afloat. The agent's personal cut of the commision pie after everything is said and done has actually gone down over the years as expenses have skyrocketed. Add to that more agents competing for the pie and you can see the problems that have developed. I'm all for new agents and will help one whenever I can. I'm talking about the new agents who just "dabble" in the market. They are doing a disservice to their clients by not providing top notch service, a disservice to the other agents by taking business and a disservice to the public by keeping the real estate commissions in an area higher than they need to be.

Also, in response to Chet of ME and those high salaries SOME agents make: in GA last year the average commission earned was in the upper $30K range. That's before taxes and expenses. Those huge commissions are statistically made by 2% of the agent population according to NAR (I think that's where I got that stat!). So, as with other professionals, some thrive while others don't. The middle ground agents, like myself, just want to do a good job and keep ourselves in business. If I cut commissions to say 4% total, then I'd have to cut service, increase listings and buyers and overall do LESS for my clients because I have to focus on QUANTITY, not QUALITY. So I have to work more, work harder just to maintain my business. Would you want your financial planner, accountant or attorney working under that premise?

The public continues to demand more from thier agents. But the public is not willing to recognize that "more" comes with a price.

Oh, and to the issue of higher dollar homes being just as easy to sell as a low dollar home. Think again. Some of that is true, but not all. A lot of the realtor's fees are price based. As the price of the home goes up, so do the fees the realtor pays. Also, high end properties require more "high end" advertising and white glove treatment. It's nothing for a serious agent to drop $10K to advertise a $3,000,000 home in a glossy magazine, hire someone to develop a website dedicated to just that home, do extensive mail and internet advertising, etc. Get the picture? For a truely unique home the advertising can be regional, not just local. Then the price just skyrockets.

An agent is just like any other professional service. You get what you pay for. You want less, go with a fee based broker or do it yourself. And remember, you don't know what you don't know. And what you don't know can hurt you.

BTW--as a word of warning to the unaware: Some of you have proposed that negotiating the fee should be done, after all it's a competitive market. To that I say fine. If you're fee shopping, shop around. You'll find a desparate, hungry agent who'll take whatever crumbs she can get. Of course, that agent won't have the financial means to provide the services you want, but you won't know that when you sign on the dotted line. Experienced agents have figured out that fee cutting is the fast track to going out of business. Better to not take the business than give away services.

Also, those agents who take your listing at a reduced rate may have no intention of selling your home. You're jerking her around, so she's going to do the same to you in a very subtle way. After all, leads and new buyer clients are generated off of posted listings. If she picks up a buyer or a lead from your listing that results in a closing for her (but not for you), then she's won the game and you're still sitting there, waiting for your home to sell. If your home happens to sell, great! It's an unexpected bonus. If you're not willing to pay 100% of your agent's commission rate, then what right have you got as a seller to demand that your agent give you 100% of her time, talent, expertise and professionalism? You get what you pay for, after all. If you want the BMW of real estate, don't expect to get it for the price of a KIA.

Along these lines: listing machines. Agents will quote a reduced rate and put the seller on their "sales program." It's all a numbers game. Get lots and lots of listings, do as little as possible for these sellers (and have that done by administrative staff), but run to the bank with the buyers and leads that are generated by the multitude of listings.

In real estate, bigger is not always better. Shop carefully for your agent but be willing to pay for one who is willing to work hard for you. The agent/seller relationship (and agent/buyer relatonship) is a partnership. It takes both parties working together to sell a property. If you undermine your agent from the start, you're only undermining yourself.

Lori of GA @ Mar 05, 2008 16:53:25 PM

Difference between commercial and residential

You are the same people that were thrilled with your agent and had no problem with fees when your house was severely overvalued. That being said, I know working in the commercial brokerage arena, I deal primarily with investment and business property, but I know I earn every penny of my fee and my clients, for the most part believe I do as well. If 6% is enough to get a homeowners panties all tied up than that homeowner probably has bigger issues than a fee. I don't blame you. Your home is over valued and the market is not great for you. But it is not the agents fault. Its a market correction. It is what it is. If you really want to get upset, the brokerage firms on Wall Street are making BILLIONS in bonuses while your 401k retirement has went into the tank. And doctors and insurance companies and lawyers are sticking it to you.

James of @ Mar 03, 2008 22:28:21 PM

Wrongly paid and overpaid

A bigger problem is that agents are paid a commission regardless of whether they get the price they estimated. My agent once told me that he wouldn't really care if a building sold for $50K less than it was worth, as he'd rather get his commission on $500K now, rather than taking the risk and of not getting paid on $550K or having to wait to get paid on $550k.

I think agents should be paid if the property hits the price they estimate. If offers come in lower then their commission should be reduced accordingly. This way agents would give better estimates, and one get a few agents to agents to compete to see who though it was worth most.

The big issue which other respondents are not addressing is the fact that because house prices have gone up so much, agent's wages have probably gone up. Having said that in the Bay Area the standard commission seems to have come down to 5%. But a good agent can negotiate to receive 80% of their 2.5% from their broker. Another factor which has affected wages is the fact that a lot of people got into the business.

Undoubtedly agents who do a lot of business in high value areas are raking it in. I heard one agent around her commenting that another agent was not really a big player as she only makes about $150K per year.

Just like houses, I have always wondered why I pay tips in a restaurant based on the price of a meal. Surely there is as much work in serving a $20 meal as a $40 one.

of CA @ Mar 03, 2008 20:24:30 PM

Negotiable real estate commissions

So far, I think an important factor is being overlooked in this dialog.

In my opinion, I don't think it takes any more "work" to sell an expensive house than an inexpensive one. If 6% is fair compensation for selling a $200,000 home, a charge of $12,000, why should the price jump to $42,000 for a $500,000 home?

The costs to the agent to "show' the place; the MLS fee; photos; etc. are not much different, if at all.

Fact is, listing an expensive house is a plum. The fee ought to be negotiable to be realistic.

Tim of MD @ Mar 03, 2008 18:02:35 PM

Real Estate Commissions

Something tells me that the lady who says she should not be "badgered about our wages by customers" wouldn't like to be told that when she is buying a new car or negotiating with a contractor to do work on her house. It's a free market (no thanks to the Realtors I might add), and customers are free to negotiate all they want. The idea that this 6% commission is written in stone is absurd. I do agree with the commenters that talk about the split, and the column should have pointed that out, but that hardly changes the point of the column--that customers can and should negotiate the fee.

Ian Rose of NC @ Mar 03, 2008 17:16:54 PM

Real estate commisions too much

What a joke.. real estate agents do not deserve to become fabulolously rich by selling real estate. As home values have skyrocketed in recent years do the agents deserve to get these windfall profits? Granted most of them do NOT, but not even a few of them should. What value are they adding to society for the high salaries that SOME of them make? Even knowing they often split the commision between the selling an buying agent and the brokerage it's still too much money. I agree with the idea of letting the consumer decide what level of service they want. The market should decide this and not a "cartel" of real estate agents. The consumer should have access to the MLS system also.

Chet of ME @ Mar 03, 2008 15:31:41 PM

Real estate comission

I agree whole heartedly, times change and they should change to, everything is negotiable.

Joe of MN @ Mar 03, 2008 14:15:34 PM

real estate commisions

6% would be a bargain in my area. Try 7%.

Regardless of how a commision is divided, a house that sells for 150k, at 6% commision, results in the owner recieving 135k.

ted of IN @ Mar 03, 2008 14:10:37 PM

Kudos to Pat

I've been a full time REALTOR for twelve years, long enough to experience several different market fluctuations. I've lived and worked through them successfully. I think Pat got right to the point--the agent in the field, the one paying for the advertising, office staff, MLS fees, phones, internet marketing sites, car expenses, professional dues, continuing education--is not always getting the lion's share of the commission as Mr. Markel's article would lead you to believe. By the time everyone gets their piece of the agent's pie, the agent is left with the dregs, and the agent then will pay taxes, pay for an individual health insurance plan (since they are not eligible for a group plan due to their independent contractor status), put some away for retirement, earmark some funds for future "dry spells" and then finally take some home to pay the mortgage, the college tuition for the child in college and buy groceries, among other things. I've been asked to cut my commission on numerous occasions. To which me reply is something like "Which of my services would you like to not utlize? If I cut my commisison, then I'll have to cut my service to you." I'd also like to point out that when a consumer is paying a commisison, it's not just the agent's time that's is being compensated. That consumer is paying for a full time professional. We don't pay other professoinals, say your dentist, just for chair time. You pay for the whole package--an educated, licensed dentist, the office, the receptionist, the hygenist, etc. Though as a REALTOR I'm not a dentist, but when I'm paid, the client is paying for all of me and all of my expertise. In order to compensate ourselves for the hundreds of hours each year we, as agents, spend working with clients who will never pay us a commission (and who use a lot of our money in the process), we have to make up the difference when we finally do get to a closing table in order to even things out and keep the machine running. We're being paid to be professionals, not cab-drivers and paper shufflers, which is the image people like Mr. Markels seems to perpetuate.

Lori of GA @ Mar 03, 2008 14:09:26 PM

Wrong information

I have to agree with Niffy, the $15,000 "commission" that you say an agent earns, is off base. Typically it is split between the two agencies, so now it is at the $7,500 mark. There is then the split between the agent and their agency (typically half, so that puts them at the $3,750 mark). The time and effort put in by agents, can range on any listing from a hundred hours(if you count working during the listing time, paperwork etc...) to just maybe ten-fifteen, that is true, if the listing sells quick(not the case in this market). What you are missing, though, is that an average agent does about 12 transactions a year, based off of your figures, if an agent get s half of the half for their cut, they will make $45,000 for the year. Take into fact that they are self-employeed, and have to pay the taxes on that, and just go from there. You also forgot to mention that while the home prices have gone up that fast, that is your investment, so when you get paid for your investments, that is income (at least the IRS says, and I would say that qualifies) so while your household salary may not have gone up as much as home values, although I question your 15% over 7 years, your investment has gone up that much, so in reality your income has gone up that much. Think about the person that bought their home 7 years ago (your figures) for 135K now seven years later their home sells for approx. 250K (your figures again). That seller has made an 115K in profit over the seven years, so about $16,428.57 per year. So I guess you are assuming that the average person makes 100K a year, off of that. Of course that doesn't figure in them getting a raise at work. Just food for thought for you. I have seen some agents that seem to do nothing for their money, true. but the vast majority of them work hard for their money.

pat of IL @ Mar 02, 2008 12:47:31 PM

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