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The 4 Biggest Myths About Job References

By Alison Green

Posted: August 10, 2009

Over at Ask a Manager, I get a lot of mail that displays misconceptions about job references—how they work, who gets called, and what he or she can say. Here are the four biggest myths about references that I encounter regularly:

References are old-school; no one uses them anymore. Don't listen to people who tell you that references don't matter in the "new economy." The vast majority of employers do check references, and they matter.

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Employers will only call the references on the list you gave them. Employers can call anyone you've worked for or who might know you, and good reference-checkers won't limit themselves to the formal list of references you provide. They'll call former managers, listed or not—and sometimes, especially those not listed, since they know the omission may have been intentional and thus notable. After all, the list you hand over is, of course, the people likely to present you in the most flattering light, and they want to see you in brighter lighting. The only thing typically considered off-limits in reference-checking is calling your current employer--all else is all fair game.

Past employers can't say anything bad about you. At least once a month, I hear someone say it's illegal for employers to provide a detailed reference, or any information beyond confirming job title and dates of employment. Not true. It's legal for an employer to give a detailed reference, including negative information, as long as it's factually accurate. (That said, some companies do have policies that they won't give references, but these policies are easily gotten around. I've never had a problem obtaining a reference for a candidate, and I've checked a ton of them.)

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You'll never be able to get a new job with a bad reference out there. If you're worried about a potential bad reference, do damage control! Call your old boss and ask if she'd be willing to reach an agreement with you on what she'll say to future reference calls. When you call, say something like this: "I'm concerned that the reference you're providing for me is preventing me from getting work. Could we work something out so that this isn't standing in my way?" Also, it won't hurt to soften her up a little first by telling her that you've learned from the situation, appreciate the chance she gave you, and so forth.

Alison Green is the author of Managing to Change the World: The Nonprofit Leader's Guide to Getting Results. She is chief of staff for the Marijuana Policy Project, a nonprofit lobbying organization, where she oversees day-to-day management of the staff as well as hiring, firing, and staff development. Her writings have been published in the Washington Post, the New York Times, Maxim, and dozens of other newspapers. She blogs at Ask a Manager.

Outsource your Job References?

I guess the thing to do today is just outsource your Job References. I saw careerexcuse.com will give you professional job references for only $64.. Must be a generation Y thing or the crappy economy.

worldly of OH @ Nov 15, 2009 11:02:54 AM

employee

5 years ago I was fired from a local company were I worked as a cashier and assistant manager.

after several temp positions I started working as a production worked at a local factory During a long illness and hospitalization the customer that my division supplyed closed down.

resulting in my being layed off.

I was geven a very good reference by the last employer. but the one from 5 years has started listing outrageous reasons for firing me.

they have told prospective employers the I stole large sumes of money, assailed coworkers, molested children, stole beer,cigarettes, and gas, and thretened employees. the former manager has even falsely reported that I was harassed him while I was at Work.

I do not have any ability to hire a lawyer.

The D.O.L. talked to him 5 years ago already and now it starts all over again

also my former manager has set up a twitter account on why not to hire me and demanding I leave town.

tad of SD @ Oct 23, 2009 03:03:24 AM

Bully Managers and Managers that are hard nose

I think it is wrong for an previous boss to give input about you - how about you were under extreme bullying from a previous manager - they will do anything to stop you from getting a job. Also even if the facts seem true to the manager -- they can have head strong perceptions of you that is incorrect. One instance when I first started with a company to learn the product, the test took me an estimate of 30 days to complete (of course I was just learning) and I said the schedule only had 2 weeks for all of the test. This product is very time consuming installing and creating the scenarios and especially when you are just learning a complex product. I told my manager that it will take me with this release between 15 to 25 workdays, but I have to get back with him with the formal official estimates after I evaluate the additional test cases and see how fast I can do the setup, etc for 1,000 of them. So, I never gave my estimates and it was not set in stone. That day I found out later he wrote everything down in three pages and 7 months later used it against me in review and said I needed improvement in estimating my work, which is a bad mark in my review. The manager did this without talking to me about it first -- plus QA was never part of the estimates of the work anyway - they set the time even though they had no idea how long it will take me. So, if they call my manager, he will say that I can not estimate my work and I will not be hired. It should be against the law for a person to ruin your chances for work - this is my life and you can never work again. It is character assassination as far as I am concerned it is your career. I am not able to get in contact with the manager --- when you are laid off - they were told that no one can contact us at this specific company -- the lay off was around 60 people in a start-up that was not getting much funding. So, this would not be my current employer. I am greatly concerned that this Manager who will destroy my chances forever. What do you do then?

John of CA @ Aug 14, 2009 15:37:41 PM

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