Answers to 5 Burning 401(k) Questions

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To Roth or not to Roth, that is the question

There are many benefits to a Roth IRA. However, for the longest I failed to see the primary benefit of the Roth IRA over the Regular IRA. When removing funds after 59 1/2 from a Regular IRA you include the gains as ordinary income. If you put the same money in a non-IRA account and have capital gains, then the tax rate is less for long term capital gains. Since the gains from the Roth IRA are not taxed at all, the fine point of ordinary income versus long term capital gains goes unnoticed.

In 1998, when we were first given the option of converting Regular IRAs to Roth IRAs, it appeared to be a simple issue of which tax bracket would be higher, the current or when you removed the assets. The investments would be equivalent whether you chose an IRA or a Roth IRA if you assumed you would be in the same tax bracket. If anyone is interested, I'll be happy to put down some simple formulas to show that fact, but to keep from scaring you away ...

The Roth IRA wins if and only if (assuming the same tax rate) you are able to transfer the full amount of your Regular IRA into the Roth IRA. This requires that you use different funds (your regular savings) to pay the taxes, since the conversion requires you to pay taxes on the full amount transferred. Thus, you essentially move your regular savings over to the Roth IRA and all future gains will be untaxed. If you do this you will be way ahead. We would have to assume what the tax brackets would be to know each individual case, but if possible, just max the Roth and don't worry.

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diners club of NH @ Jun 03, 2008 15:25:36 PM

Roth

The ROTH is not flexible. You can't take out money until 59 1/2 without paying 10% penalty and taxes. Where did you get this info that you could take money out?

Jeff of MI @ May 21, 2008 08:48:08 AM

Something looks fishy

Saving $5000 annually for 25 years at 9% enables a $40000/year draw-down for 8 years (says the column). The same savings and return rates for 35 years extend the draw-down to 19 years. Doesn't it seem strange that ten extra front-end years of savings produce only eleven more years of draw-down?

By my calculations, the longer-term saver enters the draw-down phase with $1,078,554 (there's a little wiggle room depending on whether savings are counted at the start or end of each year). If he still earns 9% he'll make $97,070 that year, *more* than he's taking out, so the balance goes up rather than down. At age 84 when the column says he'll run out of money, I've got him at $3,704,820 and climbing ... Even if he starts the draw-down by parking the entire sum under the mattress at 0%, he'll still have $318,554 at age 84.

You might want to review the column's calculation, or explain it more fully.

Eric of MA @ May 19, 2008 15:42:12 PM

Numbers don't addup

Katy,

I calculated the numbers for your example of a 40-year old who puts away 5,000 a year for 25 years, making an average of 9% each year. I calculate that such a person would have $461,620 at the age of 65 with these inputs. How then, would such a person run out of money 8 years later while only taking out 40,000 each year? Actually, there money would increase every year, even after retirement if only 40,000 is taken out each year, because they could live off the residual interest without touching the base built up at retirement.

I've seen this several places when reading on retirement articles where the author doesn't appear to consider the fact that just because you are retired doesn't mean you stop making interest on your retirement base. Makes no sense to me. Hopefully there is explanation. Thanks for your time.

Joel

Joel Fick of IA @ May 19, 2008 13:34:56 PM

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Katy Marquardt, a senior editor at U.S.News & World Report, takes a contemporary look at happenings in the financial world and aims to help young investors get going with their portfolios--or just sound cool at cocktail parties. Have a question? E-mail Katy at newmoney@usnews.com

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