Capital Commerce

Cash For Clunkers Hype In Full Force

By Matthew Bandyk

Posted: July 27, 2009

Today was the Department of Transportation's official kickoff for the "cash for clunkers" program, so that means Secretary Ray LaHood had to make the media rounds talking about how the program will change driving as we know it.  Here's his appearance on CNBC with Erin Burnett. (In case you're not familiar with the idea, basically you trade in your old car when you buy a new one that gets slightly better gas mileage, and the government gives you a $3,500 ot $4,500 voucher to sweeten the deal.)

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LaHood says that cash-for-clunkers could get 250,000 new cars on the road. But there are at least two good reasons to be highly skeptical of that number, and the broader implications for the Obama administration's policies:

1. As LaHood says, that 250,000 only comes about if the entire program is exhausted by Americans rushing out to trade in their cars. But such excitement seems unlikely when the program only covers cars under $4,500 in value. You can likely sell your car and buy a used car for less than what you'd spend using the cash-for-clunkers voucher on a brand-new car. As John Wolkonowicz of IHS Global Insight told me, "If I have a car that's worth less than $3,500 or $4,500, I probably can't afford a new car anyway."

[See 10 Other Things To Know About Cash For Clunkers.]

LaHood himself says that car manufacturers are putting more rebates in place on top of the new vouchers--thus pushing down the effective price of new cars. But that also means prices in the used car market will likely decline, making it even less clear why these vouchers are the "extraordinary opportunity" that LaHood says they are.

2. So maybe the car won't revitalize the American auto market, but it will do some good for the environment, right? LaHood argues in that CNBC interview that cash-for-clunkers goes hand-in-hand with the Obama administration's efforts to encourage mass transit.

But the catch-22 for LaHood is that the more he's right about the first prediction--that tons of consumers will bite for the program--the more he's wrong about the second. The process of building a new car has the same cost in carbon emissions as driving for a year, experts say. So one way to look at LaHood's number is as 250,000 years of carbon emissions that wouldn't otherwise occur.

But wouldn't staying in your clunker still be worse? Not if the car is near the end of its life anyway. Lee Schipper of the University of California at Berkeley told me, "A clunker in its last two years [of life] might only go 3,000 miles a year. You're only eliminating 10 percent of its life [by getting rid of it]."

Also, consider how this changes the economic rationale for somebody who owns a clunker at the end of its life. Your car dying on you--and the ensuing replacement costs--is one of the few things that might make you ride public transportation instead of driving, if you're low on cash. So if promoting mass transit is what the Obama administration is all about, why would they want to make it easier for you to buy a car? Sure, it might be a more fuel-efficient car than your old one, but maybe you weren't going to buy a car at all.

[Learn more about qualifying for your Cash For Clunkers rebate.]

Cash for clunkers is a government backed scam !

Right now you can get $3500 - $4500 for a qualifying car/truck, plus if you buy the right vehicle could get a 4000 - 4500 rebate from the manufacturer. The average saving is 8-10k dollars.

This is a scam !! I know it sounds good, however prior to the cash for clunkers program you could easily purchased a vehicle for 80-10k below sticker price. My wife and I just purchased a brand new '09 dodge journey about 4 months ago that had an msrp of around 27k dollars, we walked out of the dealership paying 21k, that includes tax, title, docking fee's and all. I had looked for new dodge journeys or for a pickup for several months prior to purchasing and found the same prices, 8-10k dollars off msrp. Dealerships were even advertising it. The way it use to work was.... The manufacturer offered around 4k dollars off in a rebate or incentive program and the dealership could discount the vehicle around 4k dollars, plus you would get around 1k dollars for a owner loyalty program and if you purchased around the end of the month, a dealer would usually dip into his dealerships hold back $$ and you could get another 500-1k off.

Dealerships stopped discounting, they are just giving the manufacturers rebate + cash fro clunkers money. Now this program is suppose to help the American people ??, how ?? I would say most people who couldn't afford to purchase a new vehicle prior to this, still cant afford it. Are you really getting 3500-4000 for that old vehicle? No, you could have purchased a new vehicle and kept your clunker prior to the cash for clunkers program, and still saved the same amount of money.

And this part really gets me fired up!! Well all of those old vehicles being traded in under the cash for clunkers are being destroyed as far as I understand, so for those Americans that can not afford a newer vehicle, guess what.. Your slowly being forced to purchase a new vehicle because our brilliant government is going to destroy a large number of still decent used vehicles. How does this help the small used car dealers? How does this help poor working class Americans?

Does everyone remember what Toyota did not long ago? There was a mass recall on Toyota pickups for a frame rust problem. They recalled practically every late model Toyota pickup, and gave 1.5% Kelly blue book "good" value to the owner. All of they recalled trucks were crushed and sent back to Japan or China for scrap steel, and FYI China has a overwhelming need for steel. Scrap steel is at a basically all time high in value due to China's need for steel. This created a need for Toyota owners to purchase a new Toyota pickup, however to be fair, the truck owners were not required to purchase another Toyota. But as a loyal owner, most probably did buy Toyota because they felt they were being treated good.

I don't know for sure, but if the cash for clunkers are being destroyed and China who the USA owes a lot of money to needs steel, well it doesn't take much to add 2+2!!

Ohio Resident of OH @ Jul 30, 2009 18:06:09 PM

Only IF the program is exhausted????????????

This is yet another example of how clueless the "experts" and at least some of the pundits in Washington are.

Now that the program is up and running for less than a week it is clear all the program will be exhuated in a matter of weeks--most likely in August.

When that happens Matt, will you go back to your experts and ask them where they screwed up? Your readers will will want ot know.

Joe of MA @ Jul 30, 2009 16:56:53 PM

Is this Double-dipping?

Wasn't there a government program giving rebates to Dr.s and others who bought large, gas-guzzling SUVs as an essential for their work? If those gas guzzlers are now cashed in as clunkers, why should they benefit twice?

Helen J. Rockwell of OH @ Jul 29, 2009 11:28:30 AM

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