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Economy Vexes GOP at South Carolina Debate

By James Pethokoukis

Posted: January 11, 2008

The Republican presidential contenders might want to watch a bit more CNBC or Fox Business Network. The first question from moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News at last night's GOP debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., was about the chances of an impending recession and what actions the candidates would take as president to prevent or minimize one. In short: Are they in favor of short-term fiscal stimulus and, if so, what kind?

But Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Rudy Giuliani all gave answers mostly about what they would do to ensure the long-run growth of the economy and appeared unaware of the fiscal stimulus debate currently happening in Washington and being closely watched by Wall Street. Only Fred Thompson seemed to have actually read the morning papers or been thoroughly briefed on the subject. And only Mike Huckabee, and Romney to a lesser extent, made a real effort to acknowledge American's widespread economic anxiety. It will be interesting to compare the GOP debate answers to the stimulus plan Hillary Clinton is supposed to unveil today. Anyway, here's a brief analysis of how the candidates responded to Wallace's critically important question:

Romney said the main thing the government should do is stop the housing crisis but didn't specify how. He then went on to talk up his plans to cut middle-class investment taxes, get America off foreign oil, and invest in science and technology. Again, all long-term stuff. If he thinks short-term tax cuts or spending increases are a bad idea, he should probably at least say so and explain why.

McCain argued that the federal government needs to rein in spending, saying deficits are "what caused interest rates to rise. It causes people to be less able to afford their own homes. We need to stop the spending, and that way, we can get our budget under control and we can have basically a strong fundamental fiscal underpinning." That answer basically makes no sense. Interest rates have been dropping—both long and short—and seem poised to fall further. What's more, his simple "crowding out" argument about how government budget deficits affect interest rates is disputed by many economic conservatives. McCain also echoed Romney's call for energy independence and more government R&D spending.

Huckabee mainly tried to diagnose what was wrong with the economy—housing bust, high gas prices—with no short-term solutions or fixes other than supporting President Bush's mortgage plan.

Giuliani treated the possible recession as some sort of vague, economic hypothetical and ignored the fiscal stimulus debate. He then talked up his ginormous $6 trillion tax cut plan and added, "But that's not the only answer to how you deal with a possible recession. You also have to cut spending as significantly as you cut taxes. You have to be willing to impose cutbacks on each one of the federal agencies, the civilian agencies. You have to be willing to engage in regulatory reform so that we have a picture here in the United States where we're not regulating businesses out of the country." I am pretty sure that spending cuts as a way of dealing with a downturn went out with Herbert Hoover. Moreover, Giuliani hasn't offered spending reductions anywhere near the trillions of dollars in taxes he wants to cut. Points to the mayor, though, for understanding that some tax cuts may well pay for themselves, but not all.

Ron Paul said the economy is already in recession and blamed it as economic blowback for the Fed's loose monetary policy earlier this decade.

Thompson said the Fed is the first responder when recession looms but made no mention of Chairman Ben Bernanke's aggressive rate-cut comments from earlier in the day. But Thompson did make mention of a key fiscal stimulus measure that Bush may propose: "We need to look seriously at whether or not we should do things such as speed up depreciation schedules for businesses, those that create jobs, have a deduction for capital expenses instead of having to capitalize them, things of that nature." Thompson also held out the possibility of tax cuts or rebates for lower-income Americans if the economy worsens and said Congress needs to extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts to add more stability to the economy and certainty to business and consumer expectations.

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Bon Qui Qui of PA @ Nov 02, 2009 09:46:36 AM

Ha ha!

LOL! ideas are bullet-proof...our numbers grow every day...we have people around the world around the clock watching whats going on...your time is limited...tv will fade into the ethers and who reads a newspaper these days?

the brushfires of freedom have been lit...why do you think Ron Paul supporters are so "loud?" why do you think he has such a diverse crowd of supporters? liberty does not discriminate or silence...liberty is the one thing that can bring us all together, but still be individuals at the same time

almost every person ive talked to about ron paul became a supporter very quickly...so his poll numbers are low and he probably wont win, and we all know why (ie articles like this one), but as we work the crowds his message gains support, even if not for the man himself...this is gonna be big... the rEVOLution will be uploaded!

and why are these guys so afraid of the constitution? hmmm?

partnumber39842789r of OH @ Jan 13, 2008 00:29:59 AM

The Fed

The two most important issues we face today are the war and the economy. Both are tied to the Federal Reserve, and Ron Paul sees both as a threat to American prosperity. Let me explain:

Inflation comes from an uneven change in the volume, say, when money is printed and given to a defense contractor. For the moment the contractor's suppliers do not realize the money volume has changed, the recipient of the printed money experiences increased purchasing power. The workers end up receiving the wage in old money, but then are faced with prices in the new money after the vendors adjust to the new money supply.

Dr. Paul, much like Jefferson and Jackson, believes as I do. The central bank is not only unconstitutional, but causes inflation by printing money from thin air causing the citizens to issue T-bills to support the created money. It is our children that pay for the treasury bills we issue to prop up the markets. Any money it releases to “curb market jitters over sub-prime woes” is a tax on unborn children who will be paying the interest on the debt we have accrued.

Let’s look at the big picture here. If the Fed injects more money into the system, which causes more spending, then you will have more money chasing the same number of goods which causes inflation. The gold standard would prevent this kind of intervening in the economy because the Fed can't just print gold; it has to be produced through mining and has historically existed at stable quantities relative to the rest of the value in any given economy. Thus Americans will indeed be affected in their ability to buy domestic goods because their money will be worth less than it was before valueless currency was injected into the economy to artificially lower interest rates.

Oh and by the way, the whole principle and function of money has switched. Back in the day it was free for citizens to turn their gold and silver into money, which increased the money supply as a wealth to the people. Now green backs created out of thin air are loaned into circulation as debt against future production, not exchanged into circulation as production performed. Money has been switched from an evidence of wealth to an evidence of debt.

A legalized competing currency such as gold would be a great way to phase out the Fed's monopoly money. I want to be perfectly clear on one of the implications. Wars won’t be fought unless the majority of the American PEOPLE want to fight the war.

Dave of SC @ Jan 12, 2008 15:30:12 PM

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