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DxOWKUjEjK of LA 8:43PM April 11, 2013

The law school scam has been going on for a very long time.

The Deans always have some very fancy arguments which they trot out to justify ripping off the public. There is no moral justification for charging anyone a fortune for an education which leaves them unemployed. If nursing schools created nurses that only knew about the "theory" of nursing, and could not get jobs as nurses, it would be considered a moral outrage. There would be no way to argue around that fact. Yet, this is what the law school Deans try to do. They can put forward all the fancy arguments in the world, but nothing that they say can disguise the fact that they are dishonest, uncaring, and irresponsible educators. A true "educator" or "administrator" should care about the people that he/she she is supposed to be helping. If the process of being "educated" by them is leaving 50% them in debt, unemployed, demoralized, and depressed, then they are not doing anyone any favors. There are many ways to learn the law. These Deans know better than anyone that the law is usually learned from commercially available lectures which any member of the public can purchase. Students in all law schools nationwide, from top ranked Harvard to bottom feeders like Touro, actually do use these lectures to learn the basic. These lectures followed by a good bar review course can, and do, get most people smart enough to practice law to the point where they can pass a bar (and know how to think like a lawyer). People in prison manage to become experts at criminal law (whether these Deans want to admit it or not) just by book study. Therefore, the argument that one MUST pay $250K+ to learn this body of knowledge is absolutely ridiculous.

People hate lawyers, and by proxy law students. The world loves to laugh at all these silly arrogant people who paid big bucks to become lawyers, and now are up to their eyeballs in debt, with no reasonable chance of employment in sight. The fact that people hate lawyers is no excuse to allow law schools to create more of them. In fact, it does seem to compel the opposite conclusion. Law students, even those in the fourth tier, are generally well educated people who could do something else. The fact that they are paying to be trained for jobs that don't exist is not just a scam and a fraud, but a drain on our economy.

Moreover, it is actually vary bad for our economy (and social harmony) to create a class of bitter people armed with law degrees. What do you think compels lawyers to file, or agree to file, cases that have no merit? Show me a garbage case, and I will bet that behind it somewhere lies a lawyer who at a pivotal point in his/her career could not good work filing a good cases.

Therefore, it is very important to everyone that those schools who cannot place graduates must reduce class size and/or shut down entirely. I

Caroline Camhy of CA 3:46PM June 12, 2011

What does Bob Morse know about what makes a good law school anyway? Has he been to law school? Has he run his own practice and developed an understanding of what makes for a quality law school education?

Or does he simply rank the schools based upon his own intuitive factors of what he thinks could or should be important?

US News does its readers a great disservice by amplifying information that it knows is unreliable. If US News really cared about its readers it would refuse to continue to publish this data until it becomes reliable. That would be the ethical stand to take. But that would mean putting the interests of the readers ahead of its own. The Law Rankings edition is the swimsuit issue for US News, a languishing and ohterwise irrelevant publication. US News is not going to stop publishing the bad information because US News has too much to lose by taking a principled stand like htat.

The ABA, US News and NALP will continue to publicly talk about the need for change, but will ultimately do nothing. They've known about this problem for years. They just don't care about the lives that are being destroyed by this false information.

Change will come. However, it won't be from Bob Morse or US News, NALP or the ABA. Change will come from an outside force. Eventually - hopefully soon - either market forces will begin to shut schools down, or the government will step in and institute reforms that introduces accountability that shuts these institutions down. In the process the credibility of US News will be destroyed on a public stage (I'm hoping to see Bob Morse subpoenaed by Congress and on a 60 Minutes investigative piece).

But, for now, the ABA, Bob Morse, US News and NALP will continue their handwringing while doing absolutely nothing.

Accountability will come. You can't escape it forever!

Mahonri Moriancumr of NV 2:07AM June 10, 2011

don't believe a word us news says.

Same for the aba and the nalp and the law schools.

these entities all work hand in hand together to fleece these naive, young kids.

the law school industry is a 3 billion a year income machine. And those at the top of this law school industry make very handsome salaries, and they will do almost anything to keep the $$ rolling in.

For example, the us news law school propaganda outlet has long ranked law schools in multiple tiers: 1st tier, 2nd tier, 3rd tier, and finally 4th.

Been that way for many years.

Well, as the number of law school grads has increased over the past few years, and as the number of lawyer jobs going overseas has increased, and as the number of law jobs here in america has decreased, it has become increasingly apparent that the job and income numbers used by the cartel were fake, and that these false employment stats were simply used to entice us to sign those student loans.

As a result an online coalition of new lawyers has formed (we call ourselves the lawyers against the law school scam), and we have spoken out against the law school education cartel.

One of the ways that we lawyers online have fought back against the cartel is to create our own buzz words and phrases to show the truth behind the 'law school scam.'

One such phrase we created was "third tier toilet." That phrase captures the truth behind the fact that most of the grads from lower ranked law schools (i.e., the law schools in the third and fourth us new tiers) are doomed, that they have wasted several years of their lives, put themselves into huge debt, and come away with nothing to show for it. Just like me.

The phrase 'third tier toilet' and its shorthand version 'TTT' caught on big online.

And how did the law school cartel (the law schools, the NALP and US News) react to our use of 'third tier toilet'?

They eliminated the tiers. Gone are the tiers. They did an end-run around our use of TTT (third tier toilet) by eliminating the third tier and all the rest of the tiers. Now US News simply has ranked and unranked schools.

Big change from many, many years of having tiers. Now the phrase 'third tier toilet' has little meaning. And that was the intent of US News.

US News works hand in hand with the rest of the law school industry to keep those 3 billion dollars of student loans rolling in.

To out more about the law school scam, google the phrase "law school scam."

unperson of MI 1:01AM June 10, 2011

US News is a rankings company which does hardly any journalism any more. It is difficult to call it a journalism company.

It is telling that, if you look at the lawsuit filed against Thomas Jefferson Law School recently, the plaintiff said she relied on data she read in US News. US News should not publish any employment data until they are satisfied that it is accurate to their own journalistic standards. At least, that is what a journalism company would do.

Critic of CA 5:05PM June 09, 2011

"I write with some reluctance because it is not our role at U.S.News & World Report to be any sort of regulatory body over law schools or anyone else. We are a journalism company that gathers and analyzes information useful to our readers."

Ummm, allow me to copy edit the false information above: delete "analyses" and "useful".... much better.

Doroteo Arango of CA 3:34PM June 09, 2011

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Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings

Robert Morse is director of data research for U.S.News & World Report and has worked at the company since 1976. He develops the methodologies and surveys for the Best Colleges and Best Graduate Schools annual rankings, keeping an eye on higher-education trends to make sure the rankings offer prospective students the best analysis available. Morse Code provides deeper insights into the methodologies and is a forum for commentary and analysis of college, grad, and other rankings.

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