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U.S. News Again Urges ABA to Improve Jobs Data

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There have been many voices of late encouraging law schools to publish much more in-depth and accurate employment data as well as other consumer information on merit scholarships and details on salaries earned by each school's graduates. The American Bar Association's Section of Legal Education, which has oversight of law schools in this area, is meeting June 11 to discuss this issue and to look at recommended changes. This proposal contains many ideas that, if approved, would result in big improvements in the granularity of employment data available to the public and U.S. News, but it's unclear if it will take all the necessary steps to ensure data integrity.

Among those weighing in on this issue is Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who has written two letters to the ABA to insist that it take steps to improve the accuracy and transparency of the information that schools must provide to prospective students. She also urges the ABA to strengthen its oversight of admissions and post-graduation information reported by law schools and to improve access to information for law students across the country.

Her latest letter, dated May 20, also made a key point about the need for independent oversight, which seems to be lacking in the current proposal. She wrote:

It is troubling that the recommendations do not address the need for independent oversight of the data law school deans submit to the ABA and publications like U.S. News and World Report. The Section's recommendations would allow law schools to continue to submit unaudited data, despite the fact that a lack of oversight has been identified by many observers as a major problem.

The editor of U.S. News and World Report wrote a letter to all law school deans, noting a 'crisis of confidence in the law school sector' and asked deans to be more vigilant in their data reporting. This letter and the recent news that a well-known law school admitted to knowingly reporting inaccurate data to the ABA for years indicates that independent oversight must surely be a part of any reform proposal."

U.S. News Editor Brian Kelly's letter in early March says, among other things, that:

• "I write with some reluctance because it is not our role at U.S.News & World Report to be any sort of regulatory body over law schools or anyone else. We are a journalism company that gathers and analyzes information useful to our readers."

• "The main responsibility to gather data and implement quality standards lies with the ABA, which also accredits law schools. For whatever reason, it appears that some schools do not treat the ABA reporting rules with the seriousness one would assume. We understand that the ABA is working toward the creation of tighter, more meaningful standards, which seem promising."

• "Whatever the ABA's ultimate decision, we would urge you to make sure that the information your school is reporting is as accurate as possible, and to consider going beyond the current industry standards."

The ABA has an opportunity to greatly improve the independent oversight, accuracy, credibility, and transparency of the data law schools have to make available to the public.

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DxOWKUjEjK of LA 8:43PM April 11, 2013

The law school scam has been going on for a very long time.

The Deans always have some very fancy arguments which they trot out to justify ripping off the public. There is no moral justification for charging anyone a fortune for an education which leaves them unemployed. If nursing schools created nurses that only knew about the "theory" of nursing, and could not get jobs as nurses, it would be considered a moral outrage. There would be no way to argue around that fact. Yet, this is what the law school Deans try to do. They can put forward all the fancy arguments in the world, but nothing that they say can disguise the fact that they are dishonest, uncaring, and irresponsible educators. A true "educator" or "administrator" should care about the people that he/she she is supposed to be helping. If the process of being "educated" by them is leaving 50% them in debt, unemployed, demoralized, and depressed, then they are not doing anyone any favors. There are many ways to learn the law. These Deans know better than anyone that the law is usually learned from commercially available lectures which any member of the public can purchase. Students in all law schools nationwide, from top ranked Harvard to bottom feeders like Touro, actually do use these lectures to learn the basic. These lectures followed by a good bar review course can, and do, get most people smart enough to practice law to the point where they can pass a bar (and know how to think like a lawyer). People in prison manage to become experts at criminal law (whether these Deans want to admit it or not) just by book study. Therefore, the argument that one MUST pay $250K+ to learn this body of knowledge is absolutely ridiculous.

People hate lawyers, and by proxy law students. The world loves to laugh at all these silly arrogant people who paid big bucks to become lawyers, and now are up to their eyeballs in debt, with no reasonable chance of employment in sight. The fact that people hate lawyers is no excuse to allow law schools to create more of them. In fact, it does seem to compel the opposite conclusion. Law students, even those in the fourth tier, are generally well educated people who could do something else. The fact that they are paying to be trained for jobs that don't exist is not just a scam and a fraud, but a drain on our economy.

Moreover, it is actually vary bad for our economy (and social harmony) to create a class of bitter people armed with law degrees. What do you think compels lawyers to file, or agree to file, cases that have no merit? Show me a garbage case, and I will bet that behind it somewhere lies a lawyer who at a pivotal point in his/her career could not good work filing a good cases.

Therefore, it is very important to everyone that those schools who cannot place graduates must reduce class size and/or shut down entirely. I

Caroline Camhy of CA 3:46PM June 12, 2011

What does Bob Morse know about what makes a good law school anyway? Has he been to law school? Has he run his own practice and developed an understanding of what makes for a quality law school education?

Or does he simply rank the schools based upon his own intuitive factors of what he thinks could or should be important?

US News does its readers a great disservice by amplifying information that it knows is unreliable. If US News really cared about its readers it would refuse to continue to publish this data until it becomes reliable. That would be the ethical stand to take. But that would mean putting the interests of the readers ahead of its own. The Law Rankings edition is the swimsuit issue for US News, a languishing and ohterwise irrelevant publication. US News is not going to stop publishing the bad information because US News has too much to lose by taking a principled stand like htat.

The ABA, US News and NALP will continue to publicly talk about the need for change, but will ultimately do nothing. They've known about this problem for years. They just don't care about the lives that are being destroyed by this false information.

Change will come. However, it won't be from Bob Morse or US News, NALP or the ABA. Change will come from an outside force. Eventually - hopefully soon - either market forces will begin to shut schools down, or the government will step in and institute reforms that introduces accountability that shuts these institutions down. In the process the credibility of US News will be destroyed on a public stage (I'm hoping to see Bob Morse subpoenaed by Congress and on a 60 Minutes investigative piece).

But, for now, the ABA, Bob Morse, US News and NALP will continue their handwringing while doing absolutely nothing.

Accountability will come. You can't escape it forever!

Mahonri Moriancumr of NV 2:07AM June 10, 2011

Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings

Robert Morse is director of data research for U.S.News & World Report and has worked at the company since 1976. He develops the methodologies and surveys for the Best Colleges and Best Graduate Schools annual rankings, keeping an eye on higher-education trends to make sure the rankings offer prospective students the best analysis available. Morse Code provides deeper insights into the methodologies and is a forum for commentary and analysis of college, grad, and other rankings.

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