If Greece Stays in the Eurozone, It Has No Future

Greece has to leave the eurozone for the benefit of its own citizens

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Mr. Kallianiotis your analysis is a breath of fresh air among so much negativity and scapegoating. Thank you for having the courage to bring such a wonderful perspective into the debate.

TP.

TP 10:11PM June 09, 2012

I too agree that Greece was harmed by its eurozone entry since the way the eurozone operated benefited the core countries and not the periphery:

i) The ECB focused on maintaining monetary stability rather than adjust the currency to the needs of the economies, i.e. when growth was necessary, the ECB kept rates quite high and maintained a hawkish agenda

ii) Paying the German workers less that their productivity output causes trade imbalances: Germany overcompeted with the periphery by keeping its wages low for over a decade while peripheral wages went up so while Germany ran consistent trade surpluses, the periphery ran consistent trade deficits something that led to chronic trade imbalances, fiscal deficits and debt

iii) Less developed economies cannot share the same (hard here) currency with the developed ones without some form of fiscal transfers to balance out the disparities as this will destabilize the currency over the long run: the eurozone is not an optimal currency union

iv) Internal devaluation forced on Greece by Brussels will intensify disparaties within the Greek society and undermine social cohesion, will increase the actual value of the debt, will increase cost of living pushing more people into poverty and destitution, will decrease aggregate demand and tax income, will hurt the banks by reducing the ability of the Greeks to service their household debt and make deficit reduction targets unattainable

v) Greece cannot recover financially within the eurozone as it won't be able to regain its competitiveness soon enough to prevent economic collapse as hundreds of thousands of businesses are closing down, hundreds of thousands of people loose jobs and the values (real estate, stock market, etc) fall faster than any growth can compensate for them

vi) More austerity imposed by Brussels as a prerequisite to staying in the euro is going to precipitate a Greek economic collapse rather than help Greece stand on its feet

vii) The Greek debt is more than such a small and tattered economy can ever pay back and the interest payments drain the economy of its creative funds necessary for constructive investments that will help its economy recover and catch up with the global competition: stagnation and financial collapse is the future of Greece under such a heavy debt load

The health of the economy should be the priority of the Greek state. Preventing an outright economic collapse and further suffering of the Greek people should be the prerequisitive for any debt servicing. Without the economy on a steady footing and without people back at work, Greece cannot possibly continue servicing such an enormous debt. The outcome will be a disaster of great proportions with unforseen consequences.

This should be made clear to the European creditors. That is why a strong Greek government is necessary to come out of the elections that will have enough negotiating power and a fresh mandate to bring the Greek perspective to the bargaining table.

TP 9:59PM June 09, 2012

As a Greek native and resident as well all I have to say is that Greeks may want to stay in Euro mostly because of its stability and convenience but things are not as simple as you may think.

Groceries have skyrocketed in the past two years without an obvious reason as to why this happened or why since Greece got in the Eurozone, European products started cost about 50-200% more than in any other EU country. Personally, I'm dreading every grocery shopping trip and to add injury to insult, I can't find fresh products (rotten more likely or getting there) or even worse most of the time they don't have Greek vegetables and such... I wonder how we export lemons to Russia when I can only find from Israel and Turkey... So I had to take a turn as to where I'm buying my fruits and vegetables... And that means once a week from the so called "public market".

As a Social Policy graduate I know where we stand and where we're heading but it's too much to think of... Sometimes I wonder how others less privileged go to sleep at nights when I officially turned insomniac by this austerity ride and the followed elections...

What I meant to say is that, it's nice to speculate and decide what's best when you don't live it yourself and when you have already formed an opinion long before the crisis that struck Greece about three years ago. So as you know this phrase all good and holy but your article is based on your predisposition opinions about the Eurozone than the Greece's ability to reform itself after a possible exit.

Kloklo 2:20AM May 17, 2012

I am also a Greek native, and I don't see any substance in the theories of Mr. Kallianiotis. The EU is not a collection of rogue states. When the Euro was adopted across Europe, its value was 0.86 to a dollar. The European trade success helped it rise to around $1.43 dollars each. Greece's major source of foreign currency is tourism, and small amounts of agricultural products, lemons to Russia, oranges to Europe, olive oil to the U.S., and similar minor exports of nominal value. There are few multinational corporations in Greece to get Greek profits out, and the major industries are government owned and run - except a few. That is why the Europeans have been pushing Greece for privatizations of major Greek industries to improve efficiency, because they are bloated with inefficient public bureaucracies.

European integration was good for Greece, that is why 70% of Greeks want to stay in the European Union. It was systemic corruption, and politicians beholden to public employees Unions that sunk the country. That is why the Syriza party rose to prominence from obscurity, Its leader, Alexis Tsipras, promised Greeks not only to scrap the European austerity measures, but also to hire 150.000 new public employees! And that already on top of an over-bloated Greek government bureaucracy!

Another example of public corruption: In the Greek Island of Zakynthos there were 700 Greeks who were receiving blindness disability pension, most of them with normal eyesight. They had obtained them with bribes (Greek "Rousfeti"). The EU bailout forced Greece to re-examine phony pensions, and, lo and behold, 500 of those 700 were phony! Those are the maladies that sunk Greece, not European mischief or an EU membership that is disadvantageous to its members - as Mr. Kallianiotis theorizes.

Economics is not a science, and economist are not scientists. If they were, there won't have been a Wall street collapse, not JP Morgan Chase would have lost $ 2 billion in an eye blink. And the best economic brains on Wall Street that tried to explain it on the CBS Evening News admitted that they had no clue how it happened! All they said: "It is too complicated." That is why kings and emperors over the centuries looked to astrologists for advice on how to run their empires, not to economists.

Nikos Retsos, retired professor of political sciences

Nikos Retsos of IL 4:17PM May 16, 2012

Euro takes away the monetary policies of independent countries. They cannot control the interest rates or print money (quantitative easing) or even borrow as necessary through bonds (the Troika has a lot of restrictions and essentially dictates this).

The 1% are trying an experiment on a small country like Greece to see how much they can squeeze the society. If they succeed in dominating Greece, they will do the same next to Spain, Italy and so on.

Chris K of CA 3:44PM May 16, 2012

Can this happens in America and London too? If that happens many thousands will be admitted in to the ICU, millions will fight in long lines to get their money and thousands will start looting, pick-pocketing and you name it. Guns and ammunition will be sold out at once.

To avoid this, Republicans and specially Tea-Party FOKES should take deep breathe and co-operate Obama so our and the rest of the global economy remains stable without causing such panic and meyham. Also, these right-wingers should not resist too long for withdrawal of Bush Tax cuts, raising taxes on millioniares and closing all millioniares and corporations loop holes.

john237 of CA 3:08PM May 16, 2012

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