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Teacher Pay Has No Correlation With Education Quality

Choice--not pay--is the key to improving education

November 9, 2011

About Rob Port:

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com, North Dakota's most popular political blog, and the co-host of the regionally-syndicated Scott Hennen Show.

The problem with the teacher pay issue is that it doesn't really have a lot to do with quality of education. There has been no proven correlation between higher levels of teacher pay and better quality education. In fact, often some of the nation's best-paid teachers produce some of the worst results.

Florida has one of the lowest levels of teacher pay in the nation, but has some of the best education outcomes. California, on the other hand, has some of the highest teacher compensation in the nation but is average to below average in education outcomes.

[Read: States Rights at Heart of New 'No Child Left Behind' Debate.]

As a matter of public policy, teacher pay really matters only insofar as the pay needs to be high enough to attract and retain qualified personnel. Beyond that, what is much more important for education policy is choice. When schools compete with one another for students, and for teachers to educate those students, everybody wins.

In Florida, for instance, former Gov. Jeb Bush instituted a school voucher program that allowed the parents of students enrolled in failing schools to pull their children out and choose a different school. The results were astounding, including test scores that skyrocketed for all students.

Sadly, that program was killed off by a lawsuit from (ironically given that minority students saw the most improvement) the NCAA and the state's teacher union.

[Read: The End Is Near for No Child Left Behind.]

Charter schools, too, routinely outperform traditional public schools. In Detroit, for instance, 70 percent of students in charter schools met federal average yearly progress standards as compared with 33 percent in the traditional schools. This is because charter schools must perform to retain students, and they're also often exempted from teacher union contracts. Public schools have no such pressure, and have no such flexibility in hiring teachers.

This is why there are waiting lists to get into charter schools.

Teacher pay is an issue that should be settled within the context of schools trying to outcompete one another, both for students and teachers. Each school will try to hire the best teachers possible, with the best teachers earning the most pay.

Let schools choose the best teachers, and let teachers and students choose the best schools. When everyone has a choice, everyone wins.

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Other Arguments
#1
#2

No — It is time to invest in the profession that makes all other professions possible

BARNETT BERRY, President and CEO of the Center for Teaching Quality

#3

No — Comparatively low U.S. salaries shrink pool of high-performing recruits

JACK JENNINGS, Founder and CEO of Center on Education Policy

#4

No — To fix education we must invest in our teachers, not flawed studies

RANDI WEINGARTEN, President of American Federation of Teachers

#5

No — To improve education system, attract higher quality teachers

ANDREAS SCHLEICHER, Special Adviser on Education Policy at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development

#6
#8

Yes — Teaching is certainly challenging, but it is not uniquely so

ANDREW G. BIGGS, JASON RICHWINE, Experts at Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute

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"Florida has one of the lowest levels of teacher pay in the nation, but has some of the best education outcomes. "

Florida ranks 28th out of 51.

http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank20.html

"Charter schools, too, routinely outperform traditional public schools."

Recent research indicates that students 17% of charters do significantly better; 37% of charter schools they performed significantly worse, and students in the remaining 46% of charter schools did not perform significantly better or worse than if they had attended their neighborhood traditional public school.

http://www.data-first.org/questions/how-do-charter-schools-compare-to-regular-public-schools-in-student-performance/

"Teacher pay is an issue that should be settled within the context of schools trying to outcompete one another, both for students and teachers. Each school will try to hire the best teachers possible, with the best teachers earning the most pay."

Increased student outcome does not create increased income for the school. The business model does not compare to a service model. By this standard, general practitioners should be paid more than oncologists or surgeons since their patient outcome tends to be better.

Saying something that is informed and cogent contributes to the public debate. SayingAnything--not so much.

Susan Graham of VA 12:08AM November 14, 2011

Choice? Are you kidding? The choice to not have teachers' salaries competitive to other "professionals" makes becoming a teacher an easy non-choice for our nation's best and brightest.

Andrew of FL 9:32PM November 12, 2011

Teachers who genuinely care for students and teach them well should be well-compensated for doing so. Teachers who choose to work in our most challenging schools, and who show that they can help their students excel, should be well-paid. Outstanding teachers who help train the next generation of teachers should be fairly compensated for their time. Right now, none of those statements is standard practice in America. We were promised in many places that if we did not push for professional level wages, we would be compensated in our retirement pensions. Now, even that small, hard-earned promise is being broken. In the countries with which we compete in the global economy, teachers are highly trained, highly esteemed, and highly paid. The few nickel-and-dime programs we have attempted are insufficient evidence for the argument that higher teacher pay has no effect on student learning.

Renee Moore of MS 10:20PM November 10, 2011

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