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Robert Schlesinger

Torture, Its Origins, and Its Excuses—Interrogators as Holy Men?

April 22, 2009 01:46 PM ET | Robert Schlesinger | Permanent Link | Print

By Robert Schlesinger, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

One of the most startling defenses of the Bush administration torture policy appeared in Tuesday's Washington Post. Former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen makes the U.S. personnel sound less like interrogators than priests. (I suppose that might make them inquisitors.)

Thiessen wrote (emphasis added): 

Critics claim that enhanced techniques do not produce good intelligence because people will say anything to get the techniques to stop. But the memos note that, "as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, 'brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship.' " In other words, the terrorists are called by their faith to resist as far as they can — and once they have done so, they are free to tell everything they know. This is because of their belief that "Islam will ultimately dominate the world and that this victory is inevitable." The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely

It's hard to get one's mind around the logic. He makes interrogation sound like an honorable kabuki: Torture me enough that I am liberated to tell you what you want to know. Could it be he's watched this scene from Austin Powers too many times?

Today's New York Times brings a more sensible take on the origins of U.S. torture (though those of us who had read Charlie Savage's excellent Takeover already knew much of this). But it bears repeating. The notion of using these methods came from the fact that U.S. military personnel are trained to resist them. Why? Because the Chinese used them during the Korean War. 

A little research on the origin of those methods would have given reason for doubt. Government studies in the 1950s found that Chinese Communist interrogators had produced false confessions from captured American pilots not with some kind of sinister "brainwashing" but with crude tactics: shackling the Americans to force them to stand for hours, keeping them in cold cells, disrupting their sleep, and limiting access to food and hygiene.

"The Communists do not look upon these assaults as 'torture,' " one 1956 study concluded. "But all of them produce great discomfort, and lead to serious disturbances of many bodily processes; there is no reason to differentiate them from any other form of torture."

Worse, the study found that under such abusive treatment, a prisoner became "malleable and suggestible, and in some instances he may confabulate." 

Well there is that.

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Torture

Thank you for covering this story. You did it in such an educated manner through credible sources. It is frightening to know that the average American is unaware of the atrocities committed daily by their own government (not just in the US, but also abroad). It is also concerning that people can't see past a Democrat/Republican perspective to realize that this is an issue that should concern human beings regardless of political affiliation. Denying something happened does not mean that it didn't. I think it takes a great people to admit they have wronged others and work towards correcting it, while it is very easy for a cowered to deny responsibility for such events. I truly respect your perspective because you did not make any allegations. You merely stated facts collected from already existing sources (like the declassified memos, Marc Thiessen article, and Charlie Savage's takeover) and connected them in a comprehensive manner. On behave of active participants in the Human Rights world I thank you for your active voice despite the skewed opposition from uneducated (on the topic) commentators (like the ones above).

Austin Power weighs in on torture

I do love that you brought Austin Powers into the debate on interrogation (or torture which I don't think the US practices.) As happens in the real world, Austin questioned him with care, but the enemy was the one who treated him terribly, the blow dart being the metaphor for a beheading. And now I bring the debate here from your Facebook page.

Randy

The republican tough love?

The republican tough love should have been the response to these terrorists in kind.

They call this a holy war so be sure to ensure in their minds that they are going to hell. A little bacon grease with their morning meal or at the very least a good stoning or beheading. You can look it up on the internet and in all the history books that you want. Negotiations and diplomacy are only tactics to delay your enemy from finding your true intentions. Hitler said that one. These terrorist are like the Werewolfs of Hitlers time after Germany's fall. No uniform and they cause chaos and confusion with no regard for civilians. Deal with them like they did then. Line them up on a pole and shoot them. It is a lot cheaper in the long run. Use their behavior as the example of what to do. At the very least they would understand that!

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Robert Schlesinger is a deputy editor at U.S. News and World Report and oversees all opinion editorial content. He is the author of White House Ghosts: Presidents and Their Speechwriters.

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