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The Edwards Irrelevance

May 12, 2008 11:02 AM ET | John Mashek | Permanent Link | Print

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oh wait Al, while

your there please also "check" out a book called "Osama Bin Ladin" by Peter Bergen who actually took years off a paying job on CNN after the first "Twin Tower" attack. I think you'll find that the "blue nowhere" does not demonize correctly nor does it really tell you much about anything.

I also feel that if you check out books on the "democratic" party you'll find that this is the first time in history that people have actually purposely "threatened" within that party to vote Republican. Why is that. Do you know that there is a "green party and "independent" party. Did you know you can write yourself in. Ergo, that threat is a little vapid.

Oh, here is an idea. Instead you could not vote if you don't like one person (for whatever "real reason"). In that your not convinced due to misinformation may I suggest that you do one of the above instead of changing parties in a move to "get even". It does not work.

It's been done historically. I did not work out so well.

Thank you.

To Al Greenville

It is duly noted that you are a white woman that is 58. That however does not quite fill in a lot of gaps here. I know you are a Clinton Supporter and I think that is wonderful as this is America which used to be a leading Democracy (albeit young still a Leader amongst new Democracys). Clinton does not need to serve our country in any capacity but does and that is commendable.

What you fail to recognize is that posting nasty little links to many things that are ummmmmmm. wrong....is as if someone hijacked my remote and turned it to Fox from C-Span.

DID you know that Obama has been to over 2,000 churches in Chicago not just Rev. Wright's. Do you know how many sermons Reverend Wright gives a week (not to mention) years that Obama was not in attendance. Have you figured out that Obama's refusal to speak ill of him he took as a dismissal and is mad. He also has a book to promote.

Oh....you can google the big fat "Blue Nowhere" until the cows come home but may I suggest something really helpful. You state he does not reference his Father and yet he wrote a book about that 2 year relationship. That book is oft quoted. You State he references his WHITE Mother. Yes, that is who raised him and according to Science that Women is responsible for the 2% of him called "unique personality" that is a part of all of us. It's called the human genome project. Check it out. There is many a book on it and one of Barack Obama's Mother as well. There are both filled with facts.

Did you know he lost his first bid at Senator due to being perceived as "too white". Have you ever googled Anwar Sadat.....No wait the books are better.

Your filled with negative information and I could provide 1,000,000,000,000,000 links to go for more. I won't as the "blue nowhere" is filled with crummy misinformation about Hillary also.

Instead I suggest a more positive approach. Do you have a local Public Library??? College??? Jr. College. Good according to the late great Thomas Dewey if you simply go to Non-fiction and go to Obama, Barack well you get my drift.

To learn about Hillary you go to Non-Fiction Clinton, Hillary. Thank you. I'm really not trying to be sarcastic i'm pointing out that if you rely on the internet or media for information your just filled with misinformation and that is not helpful and you may end up eating crow if you follow that path. The Library System of America has taken a little dive in funding over the past eight years but they have a system in publication which is 1,000,000,0000 more honest then the links you provided. Trust me it's fun.

The blue nowhere and most media. Biased.

Really trust me Internet and private media BIASED. Go towards real journalism. Hilllary and Obama did.

To Al from NJ

Thank you so very much for taking so much time to do what we could have done with one click in Google!

Because I am an Obama supporter and you have chosen to post such anti-Obama material here I would like to point you toward google search and only say type in anything at all like say.....Hillary Clinton Project or Paul vs Clinton or Whitewater or Bush/Clinton Crime Family or Clinton Pardons or Clinton Impeachment or Hillary Rodenhurst Clinton (is she Jewish?) or Clinton and Bosnia Sniper Fire or Hillary fired from Watergate or.....shall I go on? ohhh....Nafta? LOL

This site isn't big enough for all the links I could post on here to do with the scandalous affairs that Clinton/Clinton are tied to!

~ Jazz

Plea to Democrats to stop voting color

I am a 58 year old white woman and want a Democrat to win the White House. Please support Senator Clinton. I will explain the problems and issues that are surrounding Obama that make him unelectable.

Senator Obama should really step down and start supporting Senator Clinton before the Democrats loose this Presidential election to McCain. I do not wish to smear Senator Obama, that is not my intent. Democrats need to address these issues head on and stop dancing around them. They are real problems and need to be evaluated carefully.

Here is a portion of a list of the many issues that McCain will most certainly attack:

1.} Reverend Wright: Obama's connection with this man and the church Trinity United Church of Christ. The Church represents: Black Liberation Theology. The church has supported Louis Farrakhan, an African American radical anti Semitic leader, Louis Farrkhan. Fox news has recently revealed that Senator Obama and Farrakhan have both been on the cover of the Church Trumpet magazine together. They both attended the “Million Man March” in Washington DC in 1995.

2.) Anton Rezko:

Syrian Criminal that is supporting Obama. He is on trial in Chicago. During a debate, Obama said he barely knew of him. According to ABC news and Chicago Tribune they were much more involved. This is a red flag for the Republicans

3.)Elitist Remarks:

Obama has acted too "out of touch" to many men in America. His speech in San Francisco which made condescending remarks about Pennsylvania blue collar workers represented his elitist attitude. He appears “cocky" to many blue collar Americans. They love their religion and don't blame the government for wanting to attend church and have guns for sport. Lastly, to imply that these Americans are bitter to the point that they dislike immigrants or people who don’t look like them was another remark that indeed showed Obama’s own bitterness.

4.) William Ayers-Weather Underground Terrorist Group

Recently there has been too many questions about Obama’s relationship with William Ayers. Senator Obama has received a small donation from Mr. Ayers for his campaign and was working in the Woods Foundation with him for years. Obama ignored these connections when asked in the ABC debate. To date Obama has not explained his relationship with this terrorist. Obama did work with Mr. Ayers for years on the “Woods Foundation”. Many Americans would not attend any meeting with anyone that bombed government buildings. McCain will not let this issue slide.

5.) Not seating Michigan and Florida: Obama is not working along with Senator Clinton to solve this delema because of his own political gains. The math would be much different. Florida and Michigan would seat over 400 delegates. That is the reason why Senator Obama is fighting not to have them seated Senator Obama would then lack the leverage with the superdelegates that he has the popular vote and the more delegates. Obama will not allow them to be seated nor will he allow them to revote. This is a “Presidential Election”. They have had rules changed before, I am sure, according to Donna Brazille one major seat on the committee. Florida and Michigan would never come out to vote if they knew it would not count. Obama campaigned in Florida. That has to be counted. Just because Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan, is not anyone’s fault but his own. This is strictly political and extremely unfair for the voters.

6.) Change of heart over the months. Many people in my community would have voted differently, if they knew what they knew now about Senator Obama. It’s only been a few months that Obama is being vetted

The Revered Wright issue, Senator Obama’s Church’s values and his elitist condescending attitude were not discussed at when the first 10 or 20 states voted. Aren’t the Democrats risking a lot by not adding this factor into their decision making process of determining who could win the general election?

7.) Obama can’t win the big states or “close the deal”: California, NJ, NY, Ohio, Pennsylvania , Florida, Michigan, Texas, West Virginal, Ohio and Kentucky. He can’t get the support he needs to win from the Latinos, women, older voters, white men and white women. He has out spent Senator Clinton up to four times more on advertising than Clinton in Pa and still couldn’t close the deal.

8.) Race has to be an issue. We all want the world to be of one race and not have any prejudice, but that is not the case. The reality is that a lot of white older Americans will not vote for Obama. Most people when asked said they would. But how many you could face another and admit what you’re really feel about race.

9.) Where are the Latino’s? This is not about black and white. I believe that this has much to do about Latino’s also. If Obama can’t reach out to the older Latino’s that will be a mistake. Senator Clinton has had a rapport with Latino’s for many years and they strongly support her.

8.) The deception of this candidate is also one that is questionable. Obama is not being honest. He has lied about his relationship with his pastor. First he was like an “old uncle” to him, and then he didn’t know that he was like that. He has said that his mother was white from Kansas and never brings up he has a black father that was a Muslim. He avoids telling the entire story. He keeps tooting the fact that he voted against the war, yet out of 85 votes for the war, he only voted one time against it.

9.) Policies not clear and not for the welfare of the average American family;

No Universal Health Care-15 million will not be insured.

No Gas Tax relief for the poorest of people that Senator Clinton wants to help by taking from Oil companies to pay for the tax holiday

No Mortgage freeze

I ask that you support Senator Clinton. She will fight for all Americans. President Clinton is also a bonus. He has been painted so wrong by the media. This President is loved by over 65 percent of this country to this day. President Clinton has expertise in the economy above all. Our country had no debt, the country was at peace and jobs were plentiful when President Clinton was in office.

Younger voters should be aware of this. President Clinton accomplishments with the economy and his involvement with the civil rights of African Americans should not be overlooked. President Clinton chose to have his office is in Harlem. He was called the “first black president” For anyone to even think for a minute that President Clinton is a racist couldn't be further from the truth.

President Clinton and Senator Clinton are Democrats. That is the only change we need in Washington. The Democratic Party will change everything. But Democrats have to win the White House. McCain will destroy Obama. The Clintons will destroy McCain.

Many Clinton supporters will not support Obama. Over 38 percent will support McCain. That is a big problem. Only 17 percent of Obama supporters will not support Clinton. We will all have some hurt over the outcome of this race, but we really need a Democrat to win.

Stop listening to the pundits coverage about the Clintons. They are super stars. Instead throw your weight behind them. They are loved everywhere in the US and throughout the WORLD We still have questions about Senator Obama’s ability to close the deal, other dark secrets that may be found out in his closet and his true values are in question by many.

I am writing for the Americans in my community, not to smear Senator Obama but to explain the concerns of many. Seventeen “million” people are supporting Senator Clinton. There is a reason for that type of turn out. They really love her and believe in her abilities.

Democrats will be only be successful in November if they select a candidate who mirrors the successful tickets that won the 2006 midterm elections -- candidates who connected with average Americans.

If the candidate who emerges from this primary season echoes the liberal elitism of McGovern, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry, then the Democrats should start bracing for a losing year, one they should have easily won.

This is a different world today and the youth are so vulnerable. I am frightened that the youth are being misled and just doing the “in” thing to support Obama

I ask that you really pay attention to seasoned voters and support the winner, Senator Clinton.

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List of Additional Web sites:

You Tube: Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Otis Moss

Politico.com: Reverend Wright, 60’s Radical William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan

Fox News.com: William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Million Man March, Marxism, Black Power, Louis Farrakhan, “the weatherman” underground

Lou Dobbs: Louis Farrakhan, Black Liberation Theology, Unfair Political Coverage

Huffington Post: Elitist statements, Rezko trial

Trinity United Church of Christ: 10 point Black Value System, Louis Farrakhan “Saviors Day” Trumpet Magazine: Louis Farrakhan is on the cover with Obama

Chicago Tribune: Farrakhan speech to 20,000 Nation of Islam members to support Senator Obama

ABC News.com: Debate – Obama and Clinton April 2008

Chicago Sun Times.com: Louis Farrakhan, Rezko etc.

List of Additional Newspapers:

Chicago Tribune: Farrakhan’s rally for Obama, Reverend Wright, Rezko, Reverend Wright

Chicago Sun Times: Rezko’s Trial, William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, Wright

ABC News: Tony Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Wright, The weather underground

New York Times: Reverend Wright, William Ayers, Muslim Father

Washington Times: Black Liberation Theology

Support Clinton or Lose the Whitehouse:

I am a 58 year old white woman and want a Democrat to win the White House. Please support Senator Clinton. I will explain the problems and issues that are surrounding Obama that make him unelectable.

Senator Obama should really step down and start supporting Senator Clinton before the Democrats loose this Presidential election to McCain. I do not wish to smear Senator Obama, that is not my intent. Democrats need to address these issues head on and stop dancing around them. They are real problems and need to be evaluated carefully.

Here is a portion of a list of the many issues that McCain will most certainly attack:

1.} Reverend Wright: Obama's connection with this man and the church Trinity United Church of Christ. The Church represents: Black Liberation Theology. The church has supported Louis Farrakhan, an African American radical anti Semitic leader, Louis Farrkhan. Fox news has recently revealed that Senator Obama and Farrakhan have both been on the cover of the Church Trumpet magazine together. They both attended the “Million Man March” in Washington DC in 1995.

2.) Anton Rezko:

Syrian Criminal that is supporting Obama. He is on trial in Chicago. During a debate, Obama said he barely knew of him. According to ABC news and Chicago Tribune they were much more involved. This is a red flag for the Republicans

3.)Elitist Remarks:

Obama has acted too "out of touch" to many men in America. His speech in San Francisco which made condescending remarks about Pennsylvania blue collar workers represented his elitist attitude. He appears “cocky" to many blue collar Americans. They love their religion and don't blame the government for wanting to attend church and have guns for sport. Lastly, to imply that these Americans are bitter to the point that they dislike immigrants or people who don’t look like them was another remark that indeed showed Obama’s own bitterness.

4.) William Ayers-Weather Underground Terrorist Group

Recently there has been too many questions about Obama’s relationship with William Ayers. Senator Obama has received a small donation from Mr. Ayers for his campaign and was working in the Woods Foundation with him for years. Obama ignored these connections when asked in the ABC debate. To date Obama has not explained his relationship with this terrorist. Obama did work with Mr. Ayers for years on the “Woods Foundation”. Many Americans would not attend any meeting with anyone that bombed government buildings. McCain will not let this issue slide.

5.) Not seating Michigan and Florida: Obama is not working along with Senator Clinton to solve this delema because of his own political gains. The math would be much different. Florida and Michigan would seat over 400 delegates. That is the reason why Senator Obama is fighting not to have them seated Senator Obama would then lack the leverage with the superdelegates that he has the popular vote and the more delegates. Obama will not allow them to be seated nor will he allow them to revote. This is a “Presidential Election”. They have had rules changed before, I am sure, according to Donna Brazille one major seat on the committee. Florida and Michigan would never come out to vote if they knew it would not count. Obama campaigned in Florida. That has to be counted. Just because Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan, is not anyone’s fault but his own. This is strictly political and extremely unfair for the voters.

6.) Change of heart over the months. Many people in my community would have voted differently, if they knew what they knew now about Senator Obama. It’s only been a few months that Obama is being vetted

The Revered Wright issue, Senator Obama’s Church’s values and his elitist condescending attitude were not discussed at when the first 10 or 20 states voted. Aren’t the Democrats risking a lot by not adding this factor into their decision making process of determining who could win the general election?

7.) Obama can’t win the big states or “close the deal”: California, NJ, NY, Ohio, Pennsylvania , Florida, Michigan, Texas, West Virginal, Ohio and Kentucky. He can’t get the support he needs to win from the Latinos, women, older voters, white men and white women. He has out spent Senator Clinton up to four times more on advertising than Clinton in Pa and still couldn’t close the deal.

8.) Race has to be an issue. We all want the world to be of one race and not have any prejudice, but that is not the case. The reality is that a lot of white older Americans will not vote for Obama. Most people when asked said they would. But how many you could face another and admit what you’re really feel about race.

9.) Where are the Latino’s? This is not about black and white. I believe that this has much to do about Latino’s also. If Obama can’t reach out to the older Latino’s that will be a mistake. Senator Clinton has had a rapport with Latino’s for many years and they strongly support her.

8.) The deception of this candidate is also one that is questionable. Obama is not being honest. He has lied about his relationship with his pastor. First he was like an “old uncle” to him, and then he didn’t know that he was like that. He has said that his mother was white from Kansas and never brings up he has a black father that was a Muslim. He avoids telling the entire story. He keeps tooting the fact that he voted against the war, yet out of 85 votes for the war, he only voted one time against it.

9.) Policies not clear and not for the welfare of the average American family;

No Universal Health Care-15 million will not be insured.

No Gas Tax relief - Senator Clinton wants to help by taking from Oil companies to pay for the tax holiday

No Mortgage freeze for the millions of Americans facing foreclosures

I ask that you support Senator Clinton. She will fight for all Americans. President Clinton is also a bonus. He has been painted so wrong by the media. This President is loved by over 65 percent of this country to this day. President Clinton has expertise in the economy above all. Our country had no debt, the country was at peace and jobs were plentiful when President Clinton was in office.

Younger voters should be aware of this. President Clinton accomplishments with the economy and his involvement with the civil rights of African Americans should not be overlooked. President Clinton chose to have his office is in Harlem. He was called the “first black president” For anyone to even think for a minute that President Clinton is a racist couldn't be further from the truth.

President Clinton and Senator Clinton are Democrats. That is the only change we need in Washington. The Democratic Party will change everything. But Democrats have to win the White House. McCain will destroy Obama. The Clintons will destroy McCain.

Many Clinton supporters will not support Obama. Over 38 percent will support McCain. That is a big problem. Only 17 percent of Obama supporters will not support Clinton. We will all have some hurt over the outcome of this race, but we really need a Democrat to win.

Stop listening to the pundits coverage about the Clintons. They are super stars. Instead throw your weight behind them. They are loved everywhere in the US and throughout the WORLD We still have questions about Senator Obama’s ability to close the deal, other dark secrets that may be found out in his closet and his true values are in question by many.

I am writing for the Americans in my community, not to smear Senator Obama but to explain the concerns of many. Seventeen “million” people are supporting Senator Clinton. There is a reason for that type of turn out. They really love her and believe in her abilities.

Democrats will be only be successful in November if they select a candidate who mirrors the successful tickets that won the 2006 midterm elections -- candidates who connected with average Americans.

If the candidate who emerges from this primary season echoes the liberal elitism of McGovern, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry, then the Democrats should start bracing for a losing year, one they should have easily won.

This is a different world today and the youth are so vulnerable. I am frightened that the youth are being misled and just doing the “in” thing to support Obama

I ask that you really pay attention to seasoned voters and support the winner, Senator Clinton.

List of Additional Web sites:

You Tube: Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Otis Moss

Politico.com: Reverend Wright, 60’s Radical William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan

Fox News.com: William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Million Man March, Marxism, Black Power, Louis Farrakhan, “the weatherman” underground

Lou Dobbs: Louis Farrakhan, Black Liberation Theology, Unfair Political Coverage

Huffington Post: Elitist statements, Rezko trial

Trinity United Church of Christ: 10 point Black Value System, Louis Farrakhan “Saviors Day” Trumpet Magazine: Louis Farrakhan is on the cover with Obama

Chicago Tribune: Farrakhan speech to 20,000 Nation of Islam members to support Senator Obama

ABC News.com: Debate – Obama and Clinton April 2008

Chicago Sun Times.com: Louis Farrakhan, Rezko etc.

List of Additional Newspapers:

Chicago Tribune: Farrakhan’s rally for Obama, Reverend Wright, Rezko, Reverend Wright

Chicago Sun Times: Rezko’s Trial, William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, Wright

ABC News: Tony Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Wright, The weather underground

New York Times: Reverend Wright, William Ayers, Muslim Father

Washington Times: Black Liberation Theology

Losers attracting Losers?

It seems like the candidates that didn't make it are hanging around him:

Edwards, Richardson, Kerry

I hope for his sake that isn't an eerie sign.

oh and GA

Your writing skills are great and your point is relevant. On re-reading it I think I clearly understand more about what went wrong after he suspended.

You must make an argument for him as Attorney General. I think he could change policy and rectify what has gone so terribly wrong in the last eight years.

AMAZING!!

Ch of CT (by the way your State is very Nice) I really don't think that true. The numbers are pretty impericial at this point and she does not have them. That is the reason (given) that JRE gave to suspend. I do not think you should toss an easy answer at this.

I really do not think the "delusion" of the "losers" is made clear here by you.

Yes, she has won some recently. Please read time magazine this week to find out why she has lost the race though.

It was rough to gauge this Country after Bush/Cheney, it was rough when in donations the campaign managers went for old money. He did not.

There was nothing wrong in her campaign. She is formidable and will remain a great asset to this Country (which right there says something as she does not have to devote time to Public Service).

What was wrong here was the take on whether Americans wished to rectify this situation by some serious change or have the campaign managers do it. Do not get me wrong she is no one's fool but was not prepared for the Obama long haul. They did not plan on it.

Now in reading that someone is going to take a "mulligan" on this one (i love golf analogies, really...it doesn't quite make it for me here). There is no room for mulligans. That would be sub par to our children and their GREAT-grandchildren. That is what went wrong here not Clintons ability.

What seriously went wrong was the fact that no one counted on him staying in this long. Those sick enough of what has happened in eight years did.

Those old enough to be drafted, did. So no mulligans. Hit the ball. What could possibly be worse for this country then what has happened for eight years.

Nap time is over. The best and hardest job in the Administration would be to paste the constitution back together and all the other legal messes of the past. I can not think of anyone better for the job then John Edwards.

Amazing

It is really amazing how all of the media fall behind Obama and fawn over him at every opportunity. So John Edwards joins the "Loser's for Abama" brigade, along with McGovern, Dean and others. Nobody in the media is even mentioning that Obama has lost about 6 of the last seven primaries. Obama loses by 41 points, but that is OK. Ignore the obvious problems and paint a rosy picture. This appears, to me, to be a desparate attempt to change the subject. The empty suit will never get my vote. At least we should have a Democratic Congress and House to balance against McCain. Trying to paper over Obama's problems will not enable him to win the GE. .

You were busy

blogging and forgot to read.

End of story. He said he would back Obama.........what link were you on while others read.

If that's loyalty towards the Edwards........SAD. Truly.

ERIC---I asked for you to apologize to the Edwards, troops and Veterans for mis-quoting Edwards.

By Kids have real work to do.

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John MashekJohn W. Mashek covered politics in Washington for four decades with U.S. News & World Report, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and the Boston Globe. His primary beats were Congress, the White House, and national politics. He covered every presidential election from 1960 to 1996. He was a panelist in three televised presidential debates in 1984, 1988, and 1992.

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