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God and Country by Dan Gilgoff

House Democrats' Abortion Battle on Healthcare Down to the Wire

November 05, 2009 06:27 PM ET | Dan Gilgoff | Permanent Link | Print

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standing Firm for Love:

Amen to Stupak, Ellsworth, and other great leaders for standing firm on True Love and Care for the mothers, children, and fathers in American.

Abortion is not Health Care. Abortion destroys Life. Health Care should Care, Love, and protect Life.

Abortion is not a solution.

Love is the solution.

America is a great country and we can only stay great by sticking to our morals to love one another and respect Life.

God Bless You And Your Family for Standing Firm for Love!

video "SILENT SCREAM"

In the internet video "The Silent Scream" you can see a fetus avoiding the knife of an abortion doctor. This video can make you scream as you watch with horror the fetus dodging the danger of being evacuated from the home of a mother it did not ask to live in.

The new health bill calls for one hundred and ten new agencies to be formed any of which can order a mother to have an abortion without any proof for a real motive or need for the abortion and no proof of the age of the fetus. Even the new czars can give permission for abortions even though President Obama said he wants the number of abortions to be cut down on in number. Public schools can help students have abortions and one wonders what excuse they use for promoting the abortion?

So who decides and what reasons are given to permit an abortion will not be determined by any new health bills. The fate of babies is in the hands of the beholder.

Still life is so precious that Nasa spends billions looking for life on other planets.Maybe they could realize that human life

is something more valuable than any other strange life they might stumble on far away from earth.

Frank of california.

Opposition to Health Reform

It is indeed disappointing to see our members of congress did not vote on Saturday for Health Care Reform---the reason why?

The private insurance industry sent over 3,000 lobbyist to Capitol Hill and has spent $1.5 million Per Day! to shape health care reform in order to protect their PROFITS and their interest, the hell with the rest of us. I wonder where do our so-called representatives stand---with their constituents or lined up to receive their "contributions" from the private PhRAM and health insurance industry. The opponents of health care reform forget that the majority of seniors paid their dues by paying their taxes, serving their country, paying into Social Security and Medicare. Now we find ourselves being 'gouged' by extremely expensive health insurance plans. How selfish and self-centered of the younger opponents. They complain about seniors when we were the ones working hard to build this country and many of our fathers, brothers and sisters gave their life so the opponents can live comfortably and well. We earned the right to receive good health care, and we are paying up to or over $300 a month for our health care, it is not a given it is being paid for out of our fixed and limited incomes. Those seniors who cannot afford insurance must go without seeing doctors or buying much needed medicine because they are forced to choose between medicine or food. Wait until your turn comes and you find your selfish selves--old, sick and poor. Most of us did not give up working, the greedy and selfish corporation left us with no jobs, no health care and no pensions. We will see how the opponents react when their turn comes next--I can hear the screaming already. I guess it's alright when your neighbor has no health care but it's a big difference when it happens to you. To those hypocrits yelling about killing babies--where are you when mothers and children are lined up at food pantries or are homeless---probably sitting at home stuffing your faces. Abortion is a difficult enough choice, especially when you have no one to turn to.

look at the sick liberal women defending the killing of their own children

They kill their own children in the most inhumane way, and then come on a public board and defend their barbaric actions. YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK!!!!

Abortion--Look at ALL the pros and cons!

It seems like all abortion opinions are based on either the self-centered 'women's right to choose' or some recent God based idea that human life starts at conception. But there are more options that might be considered. I suggest reading the Abortion chapter in Book 4 of the free ebook series 'In Search of Utopia' (http://andgulliverreturns.info) It examines completely the self centered, God based and society based ethical assumptions and the evidence that might be attached to any of them. for example, from a God basis abortion can be moral OR immoral. From a self-centered basis abortion can be moral OR immoral. The same is true of the society based ethics. The issue is just not as simple as people make it out to be. It's worth reading the chapter, and the book, for anyone who wants to be informed.

IS IT THE "WANTING" OF US THAT MAKES US HUMAN?

I believe in a woman’s right to “choose” and exercise her “reproductive rights”. I believe a woman has a right to choose whether or not to have sex. I believe a woman has the right to choose to abstain from sex during the few days per month she can be made pregnant. I believe a woman has the right to choose what type of birth control measures are taken by her and her partner. I believe a woman has the right to choose alternative sexual activities during which pregnancy is not an issue. But do I believe that a woman may choose to kill the unborn because she and her partner have acted irresponsibly and now the life she carries within her somehow interferes with her or her partner’s personal schedule or agenda? I do not. There is the 9 month and then adoption, “choice”.

Millions of women know that the human life they carry in their wombs is sacred and that not wanting to kill the unborn does not somehow disenfranchise them from being women or even "feminists". Nor does it make them intolerant or radical. It simply shows them to be logical and caring individuals who, unlike our president, know when life begins.

Furthermore, I note that most states still have murder statutes regarding killing an unborn baby by anyone other than its mother or her abortionist. It seems that if a baby is wanted then it is human, and a crime to kill it. If it is unwanted, then it is not human, merely a “choice”. So, we have devolved to a point where it is the “wanting” of us that makes us human. This new definition of “human” bodes ill for our aging “baby-boomers”

If tax dollars are spent killing the innocent unborn for the sake of "convenience", how long will it be before the elderly or handicapped are killed for the same reason?

P.Set(MH)Young Tooner(M.T.V)

Abortion vs Right to Life

There is no one who has professed to me that they "favor" abortion.What is a stake is the right to make one's own decisions, with their doctor,regarding their health and their body. For all of those who want the government to stay out of their private lives, yet demand the government step in to monitor the existence of those with whom they disagree, please "exorcise" your right to dictate your beliefs to the rest of the world.

My COMMON sense is tingling!

First of all, tithing is a Mosiac law that doesn't apply to Christians. Second, is it so wrong that those of us who call abortion what it is - MURDER - stand up and say "No, absolutely not, I will not fund this with my tax dollars"? You have the gall to quote "the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" - which is actually the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. What about the unborn child's right to life? I agree, no one should be forced into parenthood if they are unable or unready. Which, to me, means "don't have unprotected sex". Or, maybe... don't have sex, period. No matter how much pleasure the animalistic side of us gets from it, the purpose of sex, whether God intended it, or it was the happenstance of evolution, is to procreate, first and foremost. Creating children, advancing our species is the PRIMARY reason for sex. If you can't accept that consequence, then the easiest way to avoid it would be to not have sex. That's easy.

But, the world we live in, everyone wants their individual freedoms and rights, but they don't want to have to accept any of the responsibility or consequences that come with it. No one ever wants to deal with the repercussions of their actions. Which is what caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis, it's why the economy is in such a sad state, and it's why we let babies be murdered in the womb.

Whatever, I'll exorcise my Constitutional write to chew my Congressional representatives and senators ears off so I don't have to pay for it.

Prolifers blacklist Prochoice citizens....

Civil libertarians who oppose Ban=Abortion laws are suffering censorship from media owned by Far Right religionists. They will be successful until Roe v Wade has more time to work. In 1973, the Court made the government stop enforcing church law that bans abortion. But churches demand replacements for tithers who die or lose faith. This money-based attack on the Constitution is unpatriotic and un-American.

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Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report. He is the author of The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War, and is a former politics editor at beliefnet. E-mail Dan at godandcountry@usnews.com.

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