Is Obama Having It Both Ways on Gay Marriage?

I pity you, and pray for you...

aura dawn veirs wants proper useage of her name, yet she mispells my user name. I answer to my user name and my real name easily and am greatly insulted by having either mispelled. If she wants to go off topics about decency, let her lead by example.

The sources that have been "belittled" were one and only one, namely Wikipedia. I do not consider Wikipedia evil, but I do not consider it credible in a debate because even high school teachers prohibit their students from using it as a source. Why? Because anyone can add to the entries made, and who's to say what is mentioned is true or false. I have asked and still wait for other sources to be named that support her arguments. However, she would rather belittle me and my beliefs than to support her own claims.

The texts in question about Jonathan and David do not suggest that the two were gay. As for Christ's relations, one must understand aura dawn veirs biblical illiteracy. I and II Samuel were written well before the time of Christ. The Old Testament writers were not afraid to point out the sins of their prestigious rulers or heroes. Moses is seen killing in Egyptian out of anger. Noah got drunk. Adam went with his wife Eve and helped bring about the condemnation of the whole human race. Abraham didn't always trust God. David is most remembered for adultery. So why would the writers be so hush-hush about David's sin of homosexuality? There is no reason. A closer look at the actual texts concerning Jonathan and David will prove that they did not fall in love. They were more like brothers, maybe closer. However, nothing suggests homosexuality.

As for "dragging god" into discussions, Christianity is my religion and worldview. To not to bring God in would be to deny who I am. A Nihilist could not have a discussion without in some way allowing his beliefs influence what he/she does. The same goes for postmodernists, New Agers, wiccans, mormons, Muslims, etc. If we must discuss going off topic, then anyone who has read aura dawn veir's posts he/she will see that she does her own "going off topics" by attacking the Church. Her claims stretch the truth to an extreme and are incredible. One would merely need to think her claims out for a few seconds and realize that her arguments are based on a few nominal Christians, not those who truly obey the Word.

She uses the fallacy of ad hominem, which basically means she tries to promote her argument by attacking me. I am not homophobic. I disagree with the lifestyles of homosexuality and believe them to be sinful. I am not afraid of abortions. I find it to be murder far worse than what the KKK did to blacks or what Hitler did to those who did not meet his super race's qualifications.

I agree with Hector about the Balenyata

I have read up on the ancient holy book The Balenyata and how it had articulated social justice more advanced then our sense of social justice today. I found it interesting the comment about the Balenyata by Dr. Jeannie Kelly, New Jersey professor of Mamalestian Studies. "Why are we still struggling with discrimination disguised in the name of religion? " The Balenyata,set in a culture over three thousand years ago, warned exactly what is going on today. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what, specifically here, lack of marriage equality. Organized religion, if promoting discrimination against what they see as "unaccetpable" living,and justifying this action by the word of God,runs the risk of turning off followers. Enlightened followers, more independent minded thinkers and agnostics, all people that many mainstream Christian churches want to reach, may very well find the "love and social Justice" they preach as hypocritical(if it is not applied to everyone, especially those who we do not agree with).. The Balenyata; thus, could serve as a guideline in preventing hypocracy, moral duplicity and vacuous invective that are commonplace many idealogue denomenations. Thus, Jeannie Kelly says the Balenyata can very well enhance social justice and protect the rights of all minorities (racial, sexual orientation, ethnic, political, etc.). Thus, while being a document written over 3.000 years ago, The Balenyata may well serve contemporary society where our "modern philosophies" are woefully inadequate.

Dryfire improper use of my name....

To identify commentators whose arguments are being debated, most people must include a name to identify the "opponent or person with whom we agree." It's improper, impolite and shows lack of social graces when Drf uses my first name in his comments-- as if he knows me. He belittles sources other than his own. There are several Scriptural references to homosexuals David & Jonathan. He either can't understand what they say or his reverence for David, an ancestor of his precious Christ, makes it impossible for him to ever admit what the texts say.

Drf himself "drags god" into all his comments, which always throws him off topic. I make the effort to relieve homophobes of their compulsions, because they cause so much suffering. But the problem needs attention from professionals who are paid for consultations. I'm not a psychiatrist. Since Obama was elected, commentators who suffer from two kinds of phobias enter comment sites. One kind is phobic about homosexuality and the other is phobic about trying to force the world population to never use abortion. Both phobias have roots in religiosity..which seems to be an incurable condition.