Is Obama Having It Both Ways on Gay Marriage?
By Dan Gilgoff, God & Country
Townhall has posted this video juxtaposing what it says are President Obama's conflicting views on gay marriage, variously offered before the Human Rights Campaign's annual dinner last weekend and at Rick Warren's Saddleback Civil Forum last summer.
The video is labeled Obama's 2 Faces: From Saddleback to Brokeback.
My take: There's not necessarily a contradiction here. Here's what Obama said at Saddleback last year:
I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. . . . I'm not someone who promotes same-sex marriage.
And here's what the president told the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights group, a few days ago:
You will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as relationships between a man and a woman.
The question is whether calling gay relationships "just as real and admirable" as straight ones is tantamount to calling for gay marriage. I don't think so.
Explaining his opposition to gay marriage in 2004, Obama said, "I'm a Christian, and so although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.''
Can Obama believe that gay relationships are "just as real and admirable" as straight ones without feeling that they deserve church sanction? I think so.
In fact, it appears to be a widely held position in the United States. A new Pew poll finds that nearly 6 in 10 Americans support civil unions, which implies that most see gay relationships as real and admirable. But the same poll found that just 4 in 10 Americans support gay marriage.
The big difference between civil unions and gay marriage is that the latter have religious connotations, the former only legal ones. Most Americans, the Pew survey suggests, support legal sanction for gay couples but not religious sanction. Obama appears to hold the same nuanced position.
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Read Gay Man of God Hes calling yot to read this Love ya im straight just so you know
I can tell you truth of bible with a dictonary.Take word for word and compare.ya is na na is ya thus Old Testament is Same yet Opposite New Testament.Old, New. alpha omega. Same testament , Opposite testoment. Old way,new way. Ya is Na Na is Ya. But still Both True. God the father, God the Son. opposite but true. Alpha Omega, Opposites still True. All True to words of man thus dictionary,Gods words scripture, Truth. To be Born again. Blind but See..Opposite but true.Take this and use dictionary word for word of Bible tells all truth. Gods Thuth, Mans Truths opposite yet the same? ya is na and na it ya. In time, all belief change? Jesus said to slave?Racism- Hitler,Freedom of religion- U.S.,Slavery -Human Rights,alcohol- prohibition,Pot- medical,Gay- marriage what do they all have in common? All worlds lessons to accept which you dont understand?Now if you add only God,and read the bible?Dictates two ways? All, are to make choice equal and even man to
man?Thue love! I tell you this because.Bible says, A stone to be broken,or to fall on us and grind,crush us.MAT. A we need to know and forget all past of old testament.Leave our Sodom and Gomora.Differant laws.Same Meaning yet not the same.I know I lost you.The old testament.Seriously confuses you.For all truth is in Jesus Every bit of his life his actions, his love ,caring like children. Listen you know or do you.Jesus "OUR FATHER"died on cross for his human nature or sin.We know it yet we not see it. A stone to trip on to teach us Judgements.We do with every thought to justify.Stone to be broken is Accetpt withwout predjudice or true love,Grind is Hate.Eats your love or to be pedjudice.Think alpha omega?Opposites meaning.Justify with YOUR word as you you think it means(Ya is na)IN THE BIBLE. Is this not Judgement!? (think opposite). Why not if so? Did Jesus use scripture to justify? you dont know read Mathew. PARABLE! Why?!!! TO NOT OFFEND MAN or
(judge)THUS JESUS TOTAL EXAMPLE OF HIS LIFE NOT LAW OF LAND?yA IS NA.hE SAID,tO BE A GOOD SLAVE!fOLLOW LAW OF LAND(THINK OPPOSITE)HUMAN RIGHTS SUPOSED TO BE.na is ya Do you use scripture to Justify? Did Jesus?In law crimes are justified by Law to be fair and equal? All are to show us our faults or Judgements. of wrong belief to new belief.NA IS YA. Love is EQUAL! Not justified period!!!Did Jesus did judge MAN ONCE!!!!!not even to DEATH? BIRTH DEATH,YA,NA ALPHA OMEGA.RIGHT WRONG. Are you catching on yet. Use of parable to not judge. Gave answer to not offend.Yet Truth.?? Asked if he was KING of the Jews.FISHERMAN OF MEN. (Opposite)Answered with Qestion and thus answer.OPPOSITS All ways opposite meaning except,10 Comandments, Two most important Commandment LOVE thy GOD and second LOVE one another UNCONDITIONALLY.So hard? Not, if you see your Judgements! Blinded by society belief or to be politically correct FOR THAT TIME!Opposite NOW? Marriage? Meant to
be? Must be? Your say the same? Read your dictionary! TRUTH!!Human nature to justify all things we know or belief.(ya is na) Human nature is reason for Jesus! OPPOSITE OF HOLLY,HUMAN.opposite.You like something you decided by justification.Your belief?your human dont know truth. God Holy knowing truth.Opposite. All stones of life. If you BELIEVE IN GOD your saved. Judgement is comming.How many times a day you Judge something? Now how many times man? without thought? NO Human nature is why God gave us Jesus. New testament is new omega. Beginning of the end. Likeness of God? AGAIN same and yet opposite.ALPHA OMEGA.God's Form, Human or human natured.MAN,GOD opposite,night and day black and white. Jesus likeness of man.opposite Jesus is GOD. SON, FATHER,APHA OMEGA GOD 1ST TESTAMENT JESUS 2ND TESTAMENT.ALPHA OMEGA FATHER OPPOSITE OF SON YA IS NA NA IS YA (are you blind or do you see)YA IS NA NA IS YA.DO I NEED GO ON.ARE YOU LOST OR FOUND?YA NA.SUN MOON LIGHT
DARK. AWAKE SLEEP GOOD AND BAD. CHRISTIAN NONBELIEVER? YOU HOT OR COLD? With human nature.Did he get tempted by satan? yes Did he pray before death? yes.FOR LOVE TO SHOW EXAMPLE TO ALL MAN FOR ALL MAN TO DO. WITHOUT JUSTIFYING ANY THING PERIOD. All part of human nature to judge and justify or decide one way or other . Choice is yours?OPPOSITE OF CHOICE SLAVERY,ALPHA OMEGA. Gay Marriage?NA IS YA. POT NA YA. A stone ,to TRIP OVER,opposite? To Fall on.opposit.If we deny Gay marriage we judge.na is ya there is your true answer to Gay Marriage.Why.old and new,dead, alive,We know its going to pass.FOR REASON. Are we just justifying what society dictates to us? Reason of God.s Plan.WE THINK WE KNOW OF THOGHT WE KNEW. alpha omega. Our predjudice or hate same.God dictated the word for that time. Reason or plan.Beliefs,Belief change with society ? Time will let you see.If you hear yourself.To say someone is stupid? Justify, even by test, is Judgement of brain?
Could it hurt someone or be held negative to person? Judgement put on us by Human nature dictating society of the world at that time. Reason Plan! Jesus did not justify man by scripture can you without word of scripture. Slavery not to long ago was wrong.Did belief change? Why To make EQUAL. Love you unconditionally!!! Are you blinded by sociey? If you justified with scripture your are blind to TRUE LOVE. If you can get past your Human Nature. If you use anything to judge another person not matter how or what is not equal and
thus offends is JUDGEMENT. How many Lessons do man need??? Use of Bible to Judge is judgement justified in your own Mind.Love 2nd Commandment or second most Important.Stones we accept and just struggle or stone you grind and crush you Hate.Prdjudice and dont see it is just Human nature blocking your thuth.If you can understant than Whole new meaning. Gay Marriage? stone, Pot a Stone, Not many stones left? Money,Religion,Communism. Stones left before end of time THE OMEGA. New Testament is Alpha Omega.Begginning of the end. Open your eyes!This is to prepare you for end.Rev. It is okay to be Gay.If you say not your still blinded. Time not for you or since your saved as by Faith alone.Sins are our spankings from our Father.Stones to open our eyes and remove our Judgements.To see level with you. Marriage Meant to be between? Sin is Full of Lust without altar there for Salt!Jesus new law for us gentiles. Dont judge religion for it is same as
Slavery,prohibition,Human Rights,Pot,Gay you judge them all if you see wrong you do the same to person attached to it. Gay people will have an easier time of uderstanding for they are be Judged. Not by God by Gods word I know and most have still have to learn. My reson is now clear to wake up this world. You think im nutz you might know you just judged me and thus sin against me. You might want to ask forgiveness not from me. GOD! I dont judge no man For the most part.I am Human. Can this seed grow or just rott.time will tell.If you get it. Its sprouted. Love all man EQUAL not matter what or you might pay latter.Judgement day is Near.
I pity you, and pray for you...
aura dawn veirs wants proper useage of her name, yet she mispells my user name. I answer to my user name and my real name easily and am greatly insulted by having either mispelled. If she wants to go off topics about decency, let her lead by example.
The sources that have been "belittled" were one and only one, namely Wikipedia. I do not consider Wikipedia evil, but I do not consider it credible in a debate because even high school teachers prohibit their students from using it as a source. Why? Because anyone can add to the entries made, and who's to say what is mentioned is true or false. I have asked and still wait for other sources to be named that support her arguments. However, she would rather belittle me and my beliefs than to support her own claims.
The texts in question about Jonathan and David do not suggest that the two were gay. As for Christ's relations, one must understand aura dawn veirs biblical illiteracy. I and II Samuel were written well before the time of Christ. The Old Testament writers were not afraid to point out the sins of their prestigious rulers or heroes. Moses is seen killing in Egyptian out of anger. Noah got drunk. Adam went with his wife Eve and helped bring about the condemnation of the whole human race. Abraham didn't always trust God. David is most remembered for adultery. So why would the writers be so hush-hush about David's sin of homosexuality? There is no reason. A closer look at the actual texts concerning Jonathan and David will prove that they did not fall in love. They were more like brothers, maybe closer. However, nothing suggests homosexuality.
As for "dragging god" into discussions, Christianity is my religion and worldview. To not to bring God in would be to deny who I am. A Nihilist could not have a discussion without in some way allowing his beliefs influence what he/she does. The same goes for postmodernists, New Agers, wiccans, mormons, Muslims, etc. If we must discuss going off topic, then anyone who has read aura dawn veir's posts he/she will see that she does her own "going off topics" by attacking the Church. Her claims stretch the truth to an extreme and are incredible. One would merely need to think her claims out for a few seconds and realize that her arguments are based on a few nominal Christians, not those who truly obey the Word.
She uses the fallacy of ad hominem, which basically means she tries to promote her argument by attacking me. I am not homophobic. I disagree with the lifestyles of homosexuality and believe them to be sinful. I am not afraid of abortions. I find it to be murder far worse than what the KKK did to blacks or what Hitler did to those who did not meet his super race's qualifications.
I agree with Hector about the Balenyata
I have read up on the ancient holy book The Balenyata and how it had articulated social justice more advanced then our sense of social justice today. I found it interesting the comment about the Balenyata by Dr. Jeannie Kelly, New Jersey professor of Mamalestian Studies. "Why are we still struggling with discrimination disguised in the name of religion? " The Balenyata,set in a culture over three thousand years ago, warned exactly what is going on today. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what, specifically here, lack of marriage equality. Organized religion, if promoting discrimination against what they see as "unaccetpable" living,and justifying this action by the word of God,runs the risk of turning off followers. Enlightened followers, more independent minded thinkers and agnostics, all people that many mainstream Christian churches want to reach, may very well find the "love and social Justice" they preach as hypocritical(if it is not applied to everyone, especially those who we do not agree with).. The Balenyata; thus, could serve as a guideline in preventing hypocracy, moral duplicity and vacuous invective that are commonplace many idealogue denomenations. Thus, Jeannie Kelly says the Balenyata can very well enhance social justice and protect the rights of all minorities (racial, sexual orientation, ethnic, political, etc.). Thus, while being a document written over 3.000 years ago, The Balenyata may well serve contemporary society where our "modern philosophies" are woefully inadequate.
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