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When Attacks Go Too Far: Mark Sanford as Biblical Fundamentalist

July 02, 2009 05:21 PM ET | Dan Gilgoff | Permanent Link | Print

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SANFORD AND SON

SANFORD AND SON.

By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet of Environment.

Warning: Leave Mark Sanford alone!

SANFORD NEEDS SONS.

LIKE THE TV SERIES, "SANFORD AND SON"

Like the TV Series, "Sanford and Son." Who can really blame him for wanting to have more sons to carry on his family name and tradition by increasing his offsprings. Therefore he needs to have sex with more women The important thing is not to wear condoms when he was having sex.

More than likely it was also a conspiracy staged by Barack Obama and his Democrats supporters especially Black to set him up using beautiful women similar to what they have done for other White politcal figures such as the former NY governor(s). Their purpose is to replace them with Blacks.

Who would not doubt that Obama has never committed adultery?

Sanford should be allowed to enjoy his life as usual without anymore interference. In fact, Americans should help his cause by providing him with women so that Sanford coan have more sons.

Republicans, Mark Sanford and sons should thank me for this comment.

Mark Sanford

He must be forced out or compelled to resign. It is one thing to be a hypocrite and commit adultery. It is quite another to have entangled your public office in the same and lying to the public, not as a citizen, but as a sworn office holder. But then he and all of the others, from Clinton through himself, are the perfect illustration of something that has been completely lost in American culture- shame. We are all the poorer for it.

Bible reading in public schools?

Taxes must not be wasted to buy more "worship merchandise" to be sold to public schools. Teachers must not be tax-paid to spread religious pornography like the dirty tale of Lot. Incest is the oldest taboo but there it's introduced to children. The word "virgin" refers to the hymen, vulva and vagina--also introducing children to them. Why so early? "Religious artists" and porn studios sell countless full-color portrayals of big breasts and nipples. Porn may add tassels but it's OK that the Virgin is nursing the infant male. Yes, I've studied subliminal advertising. Catalogs of faith-based products show many companies will go out of business if taxpayers stop buying olive oil for anointing, wax for candles, and lace for costumes. And ribbons, silk, slippers, and male millinery. And kneelers, hymnals, missals, crucifixes, holy medals, baptismal fonts, incense, bell-ringers, collection baskets and pledge envelopes. All churches are profit-making corporations, made richer by refusing to pay taxes for services they consume. We need godless lawmakers who stop draining public treasuries to enrich their hometown churches.

RSVP."Our Lady is no God at all...not even a false one...."

Dear Asinus Gravis of TX:

No, Shakespeare did not need the King James translation of the Bible, because he already wrote in Elizabethan English, but students of Shakespeare do benefit from knowing the Biblical stories and from hearing the cadence. Studying the KJV is a path to literacy for students of English. The stories of the Bible are metaphors throughout Western Literature.

It should be illegal to contaminate that course with biblical-literalist-imbecility, which, I understand, it easier for me to say in California's Silicon Valley than it is for you in Texas. School curricula can must be controlled, but this is probably wishful thinking in the Bible belt; in which case , it would be better to assign other books at the foundation of Western Civilization: "The Odyssey" & "The Iliad" or Mark Twain & Harry Potter. It's tough to educate students when the teachers are idiots.

As to your second point, we actually do disagree. For the same reason that I am adamantly pro-choice, as expressed off-topic above, The question about fetal personhood is the same: Who Decides?" Once a woman with or without her family bonds with the fetus and determines to carry that fetus to birth, her decision gives that fetus rights. A crime against a pregnant women then is a crime against two people. That is the principle. In practice, I have no problem with doubly-punishing someone who assaults a pregnant woman.

To bring this back to Governor Sanford, once you call your mistress a "soul-mate," your marriage is toast. Not being in his head or in his home I am not an authority,, but I'd give odds of about 90-10 that the best thing he could do for himself and for all concerned is to resign as governor and hop the first flight to Buenos Aires... give everything to his wife and kids and begin writing the story of his love affair to support himself in pesos. ... There is always a market for a great love story. There is no market for what he will go through in South Carolina since Dante already published both "Purgatorio" and the "Inferno" as Dostoyevsky has published "The Idiot." Mark Sanford may be too rigidly Christian to actually follow his heart, but, if he stays, he will spend the rest of his marriage on the thin-ice of Christian forgiveness, which will make "going hiking in Appalachia" seem like a Siren's song.

???

"protecting prayer at pubic meetings"??? What could you have been thinking of?

Sanford needs cognitive help

You can't help but sorry for this poor, misguided, ego-centric buffoon.

First, he thought he could just high-tail it to Argentina without notice. Then he makes a tearful, nationally public, soulful confession worthy of a Jimmy Swaggert or Ted Haggard.

And finally, incredibly, he compares himself to the biblical King David. Gov. Mark Sanford is in desperate need of some serious cognitive counseling.

Shakespeare didn't need a King James Bible, or have one most of his lfie.

JT (CA), Shakespeare did not need, nor did he have available until the last very few years of his life a King James Bible -- check the relevant dates. He and many of the others you named could and did read Greek; some could read Hebrew; and most could read Latin as well. By the way, the original King James Bible includes the books of the Apocrypha, which most fundies deplore.

Courses in the Bible as literature do make a lot of sense, if only some way could be figured out to keep the usually biblically illiterate fundamentalists from teaching them as conversion devices. The well known Bible curriculum materials available and widely used do manifest just that literalist nonsense.

Treating crimes against pregnant women as crimes against two victims is NOT reasonable, inasmuch as two legal, or constitutional, persons are not involved.

Sin and Forgiveness

For a politician, Mark Sanford has committed the only unforgivable sin:

He made himself a laughing stock.

In the budget debates nest year, he tries to enlist the help of Democrats. "A tragic story of forbidden love"

He's forced to cut school lunches. "I spent the last five days crying in Columbia"

This is why he needs to resign, he'll be helpless against these attacks.

Jeez

ComPassion we get it! How many comments do you need to leave.Ever heard of the term Beating a dead horse.Geez enough.

RSVP."Our Lady is no God at all...not even a false one...."

So, Mark Sanford is not among the worst of the self-righteous. OK.

I question two elements of your assessment of his "religious conservative" accomplishments: "That's not to say that Sanford wasn't a helpful ally of religious conservatives. He signed laws making a violent crime against a pregnant woman two separate crimes, requiring abortion providers to provide pregnant women with an ultrasound image before terminating their pregnancy, protecting prayer at pubic meetings, and authorizing the Bible to be taught as literature in public schools."

First, a crime against a pregnant woman could reasonably be considered a crime against two people. Once a woman has bonded with and committed to bear that fetus, why should a violent act against that woman not also be considered a crime against that incipient person? While that endangers the absolute denial of fetal personhood (which may evan have been its intent), yet the law itself, does not offend my sense of values.

Second, failure to teach the Bible, as literature, in public schools would guarantee the pseudo-education of generations of illiterates. The King James translation of the Bible is at the foundation of literature in English. Ignorance of those words would make it difficult, if not impossible, to understand, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake, Keats, Shelley, Whitman or even Hemingway. Ignorance is not a liberal virtue.

There are more than enough actual differences between religious conservatives and the rest of us without inflating those differences.

I do appreciate your attempt to illuminate Mark Sanford's record. "Do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God." is not a scriptural verse that comforts bigots but rather challenges them... I see the Governor's plight as tragic in a Greek sense, that is not well explained or advised by Christian values.

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Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report. He is the author of The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War, and is a former politics editor at beliefnet. E-mail Dan at godandcountry@usnews.com.

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