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God and Country by Dan Gilgoff

Conservative Christians: Obama's Gay Benefits Order Approximates Marriage

June 17, 2009 05:59 PM ET | Dan Gilgoff | Permanent Link | Print

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Sweet Christian Lies

My, oh, my... What a sweet condensation this article is of all the lies and misconceptions about non-heterosexual people. Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.

Nothing - and I mean nothing in capital letters - gives anybody the right to deny any category of citizens their basic rights. This includes religious texts. The US Constitution is very clear on this point. Freedom of religion may not impede inalienable rights, nor can government impede freedom of religion.

Stop writing and believing these outright lies. Non-heterosexual people are people and perfectly equal citizens. NO MORE LIES!

More Than Conservative Christianity

Initially, the adjective “gay” was transformed into a noun to that describes a homosexual man displaying effeminate mannerisms. It seemed to be a sociological fit, created a simple synonym with four less syllables, and lost some of its negative connotation.

It is reported that sexually abusive relationships and dysfunctional families may result in difficulties relating to the opposite sex, and the adoption of a homosexual lifestyle.

By definition heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex. In restrooms, dorm rooms, and military barracks, it’s a simple process to separate facilities to maintain the needed level of decorum and comfort between the sexes. However, homosexuality makes chaos out of this convention as separation, decorum and comfort disappear when it is not just opposites that attract.

If a policeman pats down someone’s daughter, it’s likely the city will be sued on a sexual assault charge. And likewise if the policeman is gay, and he pats down someone’s son, the offense would be no less.

The homosexual community is aware of the confusion and conflict they create for themselves and others. Furthermore they loose the prestige of a family legacy, are subject to increased suicide rates, learn that many parents do not want their children influenced by them, and tragically they die far too soon as a result of their homosexual activities. It is reportedly more lethal than smoking cigarettes, reducing their lifespan by 40%, and should not be considered a victimless lifestyle.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/medconsequences.html

http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/hosx_lifspn.htm

Surprisingly, there is virtually no mention from the main stream media that confirms or refutes the homosexual lifespan issue. Consider the economic consequences as Obama plans to provide health benefits to homosexuals. Some of the wisdom of the past is worth examining before making changes that can turn our society upside down and difficult to reverse.

Homosexual apologetics say that their orientation is genetically or culturally influenced. Similarly, people with substance abuse, criminal, and heterosexual illicit tendencies can make similar claims, although the financial, cultural and spiritual outcomes are commonly destructive.

In addition to the pragmatic reasons to oppose homosexuality, Judeo-Christians don’t mix words, clearly condemning this lifestyle on Biblical grounds:

Leviticus 18:22

“Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.”

And for raising children: Luke 17:2

“It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.”

More contemporary wisdom: "No man chooses evil because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness." Author: Mary Wollstonecraft

For all you conservatives...

Do you ever actually read the Bible? Do you actually study the word in its historical context? Are your beliefs fabricated from what someone else told you what was right or did you actually come to an educated belief? It sounds like to me that a bunch of you church-going, Sunday-Christians don't even know what the Bible is actually saying. Study up a little.

Jesus said to NOT judge others, lest you be judged. We already have a God who is guiding us and will let us all know. Jesus told us to love one another, and though some Conservatives are concerned, more than half the time you are just acting self-righteous. Stop being a pharasee.

Marriage Benefits? Hardly

Basically, Gay and Lesbian government employees in long term stable partnerships got re-imbursement of the rental costs of a U-Haul to move when relocated out of the "memo."

Given the reaction of the Religious Right, he might as well have funded the receptions at same-sex marriages given the hyperbole that these people made out of so very little.

I hate it when I agree with Concerned Women of America

I think it's hilarious when I agree with CWofA. Their Pres talks up the social good of marriage, stating:

Marriage provides unique benefits to individuals, families, and society that cannot be replicated by any other living arrangements. Marriage helps nurture children and reduces social and financial costs to society by promoting healthy behavior.

She just about screams for the legalization of gay marriage since marriage is such a social good in her eyes, important to individuals [like Mary & Beth] and families [Bob & Ted, and their three kids] and society [financial interdependence, stability, health, education, community, etc].

Too bad that CWA and NOM do such harm to individuals, families and society, while marriage equality would have great benefits to us. They're just on the wrong side of..... well, everything.

wtf

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I will pray for your son Greg and you too Adam

This is my last post to you!

Lord Jesus Christ, you commanded us to love our enemies, those who defame and injure us, and to pray for them and forgive them. We know that you prayed for your enemies, who crucified you. Grant us, we pray, the spirit of Christian reconciliation and meekness, that we may forgive every injury. Help us to overcome ill will and personal offense with Christian meekness and true love of our neighbor. We further ask you, O Lord, to grant to our enemies true peace and forgiveness of sins. Do not allow them to leave this life without true faith and sincere conversion. And help us to repay evil with goodness and to remain safe from the temptations of the Devil and from all the perils that threaten us in the form of visible and invisible enemies. Amen.

Save yourself!

Are you assuming I'm gay?

How homophobic of you!

One must wonder why you obsess of what gay people do.

As a heterosexual, what my son does with his partner has no impact on me, and I'm sure he doesn't need self-righteous people like you out to "save" him!

Your concern for his soul is like the saccharin love given by the Pharisees. Where you see yourself being compassionate, I see a hypocritical snake lying in the dark.

Focus on feeding the poor and all of the Ted Haggards and Jim Bakkers of the world.

People like you are the main reason we quit the church and decided to pursue bible study on our own. We don't need your judgment and we're tired of subsidzing your tax-exempt hate brigade.

Shove your Jesus! Separate Church & Hate!

As a Reformed Jew, my religion accepts same-sex marriage. What right do you have to impose your religion on anyone and demand that everyone be KKKristian! This is America for crying out loud! I don't care if your religion requires that you tattoo your forehead or speak in tounges or marry a 12-year-old "woman" as part of a polygamous cult. The founders set separation of church and state in place for a reason!

We don't say anything about you eating pork and lobster do we?!

And Sodom and Gomorrah was about inhospitality not homos!

You KKKristians like to pervert our Torah and insert all kinds of pagan things that weren't there to begin with! The Sabbath was never declared Sunday and G-d never once said he'd send Jesus as the messiah. Some Jewish boy just got a little excited and figured he was G-d.

Wrong my friend

That's where you are wrong. It is not me making things up, but the Word of God. American culture and Jewish or Arab culture is different. I'm not asking you to practice the Hebrew/Jewish culture that Christ of Paul did, I'm asking you to give your life to Jesus. And no you can't just quit being Homosexual because it is a strong hold on that persons life,but you can help the process for deliverance if you repent and truly ask Christ to remove it out of your life. You need you heart fixed first, and after Jesus that is why Jesus came down and died for you and me. Jesus came to set the camptive free from all types of sin and if you do that and trust in him, he can and has already delivered people from the strong hold of Homosexuality. The real question is if you want to be delivered from Homosexuality."You people try and twist what God has created and try to mold people to fit your beliefs" no my friend that is Satan's job to twist and pervert what God made. And no God didn't create Gay's. Read the book of Genesis, God created man in his image. Man's turning away from God and sin is what created the pratice of Homosexuality, just like all other types of sin. To me Gay means happy, I'm talking about the sexual sin that God's Word says is detestable to him.

I can't speak on what Muslim's do in the Middle-East, I am a Christian and I don't advocate violence against anyone who is a Homosexual. I'm not judging you, it's the Word of God. So you are not coming against me, but God and that's a dangerous thing my friend. You obviously are a novice of the Word of God, because you would know that it is not me making this up, but God's Word and Jesus Christ shedding his blood to set you free.Sell everything. Give the proceeds to the poor. Leave all your friends and family. Until you do this and live a flawless life of perfection, you have no right to take the label "Christian" and point out specks in your brother's eye. My friend good works and deeds are good and you should help other's because Christ said love your neighbors as yourself, but accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior is what makes you the righteousness of God. Repentance of sin and accepting Jesus Christ and serving him is what makes you a Christian. Greg I love you with the love of the Lord and I'm not bashing you, but I more concerned about you eternal soul, than your current lust of the flesh. I'm Saved and I know my eternity is in Jesus Christ forever. Are you 100% confident with your life, that if you died today you would entering into Heaven. According to your belief, which is against the Word of God, who made Heaven and Hell and through his Word, that instructs us that "No Man can come to the Father accept through his Son Jesus,will you make it in?

Greg I pray that God will sent his Holy Spirit to be with you, convict you and draw you unto Salvation! now that I told you the truth of God's Word, and what it says concerning Homosexuality and SALVATION, you no longer have an excuse!

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Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report. He is the author of The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War, and is a former politics editor at beliefnet. E-mail Dan at godandcountry@usnews.com.

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