Gingrich: 'Traditional Marriage' Will Return, Europe Will Go Religious

Republicans - the party of lies and hatreds

How many wives has Gingrich had - 3 so far. This is all crap from the party where lies become truth, and truth becomes lies. Who knows - prob the next wife for Gingrich will be a guy. He is just like Rush Limbaugh, 3 wives up and 3 wives down. Maybe he has a B/F who will out him, like happened his christian pals such as Minister Ted Haggard, who ranted against gays, and then satisfied his urges with a - get this - male prostiture. And then Haggard was "christian cured of his homosexuality". Result - he moved from a 30 year old male prostitute to a 18 or 20 year old, or both - the situation is somewhat unclear - male. Oh, BTW, add republicans Foley, Craig, the 2006 head of the young republicans who went into a sleaping man's room and had oral sex until the victim woke up and called the police.

The whole republican party leadership is nothing but a bag of liars. They do just the opposite of what they preach, while blinding religious people to their real goals - turning America into a big Mexico, where tens of millions of the middle class have to leave their nation to find work at dirt cheap wages, to support their families.

These pigs will not go to the slaughterhouse, unfortunately. But they will go to God's re-education camp for their lies and mass thievery All in the Name of God.

As for Europe, religion is dead there. Only about 15% of people attend church regularly. And many of them are widows looking for a new husband. The Catholic church is recognized as the church that gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people. A hatred that Hitler - a Catholic - leveraged to gain total control of Germany and give us WWII. Now headed by a man who learned about power and control because he was born in 1928 in Nazi germany.

And without the Church, in many ways a medieval monstrosity whose hate is now focused on gays, virtually every major nation in Western Europe recognizes gay relationships legally. Only exceptions are Greece and Italy, and Ireland will happen this year.

And to add to the list of nations who recognize the humanity of God's creation which includes gay people, we have Canada, Israel, Rep. of South Africa, New Zealand, Australia*, Nexico*, Chech republick, Hungary, Canada, Brazil*, Uraguay, Columbia, Arrgentina*. Nepal, and Japan".

* - partial rights and / or rights only in some states.

Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy!

Traditional marriage? What unmitigated rubbish. Not a sane person alive would agree to anything like ‘traditional marriage” especially this despicable blowhard hypocrite who

pressed his first wife to sign divorce papers while she was still in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery. Disgusting!

Traditional marriage is for better or for worse, till death do us part. Jackie, his first wife. said, "He walked out in the spring of 1980.... By September, I went into the hospital for my third surgery. The two girls came to see me, and said, "Daddy is downstairs. Could he come up?" When he got there, he wanted to discuss the terms of the divorce while I was recovering from my surgery."

The hospital visit wasn't the end of it, either. Jackie had to take Newt to court to get him to contribute for bills, as utilities were about to be cut off. He also graciously said "She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's wife." But his second marriage hasn't been that smooth either. Newt and Marianne have been separated - "frankly", she told the Washington Post in June 1989, "it's been on and off for some time."

So much for family values Traditional marriage. Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy!

Western Europe has negative population growth

http://www.overpopulation.org/older.html

Take the traditional family out and replace with a secular society in it for the short haul and you end up like most Western European, post communist European countries and China........Seems like the only populations growing are the Middle Eastern populations, most likely because they still observe the traditional family strutcure and refuse to secularize their society.

NG is right on with his predictions.

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I suspect, given the demographics, that Europe's religious revival will be the ever-more-meteoric rise of Islam. (*gasp*) Was that what Gingrich was referring to, I wonder?

How likely is a return to religion in Europe?

Can a society stay predominantly secular indefinitely? Japan has only 1% of its population who are Christian, versus over 25% in South Korea. The growth of Christianity in Korea is the result of massive conversions since WWII and the Korean War. Japan also went through the trauma of war, but it did not bring large numbers of converts to Western religions, even though many more expatriate Japanese have lived in the highly religious US. A few more aggressive Buddhist sects, such as Soka Gakkai (Nichiren) have seen growth in Japan, but its followers are still a small minority. China is now believed to have a 10% Christian population, over 100 million people, larger than the entire population of Japan. Why can people with so many cultural similarities be so different in their response to religious proselyting?

Is modern Europe most like Japan (1% Christian), China (10% Christian) or South Korea (25% plus Christian)? It is not at all clear why there are these differences. So how can we tell whether Europe will be like Japan, China or Korea in the next decade?

Skeptical

Gringrich says Europe will eventually learn from its irreligious mistakes that "secular society is stunningly sterile". This is consistent with the belief held by many conservatives that Biblical morals define a natural law for human nature, and violating these morals brings negative consequences, which in turn leads society to return to traditional morality. In other words, Gringrich believes Europe will eventually learn from its mistakes and return to its religious roots.

Although I am a Bible-believing Christian who supports the traditional definition of marriage, I'm not sure things are quite as simple as Gringrich suggests. My reading of history in general and of the Old Testament in particular suggests that religious observance increases and decreases in cycles. We also know from the history of Europe that faith in rational science likewise comes and goes in cycles (remember the "Dark Ages"). As GB Shaw observed, we learn from history that we learn nothing from history. Human events do not always unfold in a logical progression to an improved state. In fact, archeologists tell us that civilizations sometimes crash.

I don't know what the future holds. I hope Gringrich is right, but I am not holding my breath. I am skeptical of "crystal balls" that guide the predictions of social scientists and politicians, regardless of their views.

Same old politics

Maybe Newt is gearing up for the next election, which like Bush, was to get people away from the real issues confronting our nation, and making "family values", "gay issues", etc. the top priority of our nation. I don't think the majority of American voters are going to fall for this crap again.

'Traditional Marriage' Will Return

Hmmm... Whose religious tradition: Fundamenatlists, Evangelicals, Catholics, Protestants, Quakers, Jews, Mormans? Does this mean Interfaith, Interracial, Intercultural Marriages and of course Divorce, will be illegal?

Jackie, Marianne, Callista ...

He dumped cancer-stricken 1st wife. When his pastor criticized him for not supporting his two kids, he left the church. Newt dumped 2nd wife after cheating on her with the Congressional aide who is now his 3rd wife. The scandal sidelined Newt in 2008.

Until now.

My fellow Americans, meet a true defender of traditional marriage:

Newt Gingrich.

LMAO.

The man standing on the beach watching the Tsunami

Gingrich is the man standing on the beach watching the Tsunami, unable to comprehend that he's about to be swamped. The overwhelming tendency of American, and indeed, world political culture is toward individual rights; gay marriage is going to be eventually permitted everywhere (though obviously not soon in some societies), and where it is it will not be rolled back because it doesn't affect the larger public. As for religion, its world view based upon superstition cannot prevail in the long run and inevitably science and secularism will prevail everywhere. That is not to say that there will be no spirituality, but it will be based upon nature, culture, and family rather than superstitious belief. Europe's secularism is the highest development of modern culture on the planet today and eventually all societies will attain it as the influence of quaint cultures recedes.

The caveat here is that the future is not a straight line--natural disasters such as comets and volcanoes can set back civilization itself and throw people back into primitive social orders, or scientific advances can bring unexpected futures (such as artificially intelligent machines/entities taking control of the planet from us biological types). Barring such problems social evolution is moving briskly away from Newt's world view...