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God and Country by Dan Gilgoff

Gingrich's First Advice for GOP: Fight for Nation's Religious Heritage

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Republican stand

Someone said that the republican party needs to rid itself of what it doesn't stand for and more on what it does stand for. That is exactly what Mr Gingrich was saying. At this point in time, the republican party does not stand for anything! It has no backbone and it has no solid platform. It is no more than wishy-washy and rolls whatever way the media tilts it. The way forward is to back off on principles? The party needs to stand UP for its principles, not abandon them. People aren't leaving the party because of religious beliefs, they are leaving the party because the party has not stood up for core conservative values. Responsible economic policies, smaller government, less intervention, etc.

When principles are abandoned, liberals win.

One Nation Under God

Listen to the message. Are the spoken words true? Did he invent the quotes, or are they accurate? Why attack the man? Is it because there are significant moral problems with one's own political position? Is it to divert attention from one's own shortcomings? While the founding fathers may not all have been pious, they did guarantee religious freedom in the Bill of Rights, and in closing, the Declaration of Independence states, "...And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor." Thus the founding fathers recognized the importance that religious beliefs and faith held for the American people.

In fact, as Mr.Gingrich states, we are the first country to give the people the sovereignty vice a sovereign set over the people. They did this through the creation of a republic founded on the idea of representative democracy. This was a conscious choice in response to desire to protect minority views from the despotism of absolute democracy. A strong sense of morality also guided the founding fathers.

Have we perverted the meaning of individual freedoms so much that one, or a few individuals, can protest the word God be used in public forums, or as part of our legal system? The evidence would seem to say yes in a society that bans, or attempts to ban, the use of religious statements in public discourse, and that pursues abortion and other acts that contribute to the tyranny of the individual rather than the protection of the inalienable rights of all mankind.

So, I say to all in this instance, Mr. Gingrich has touched on issues and matters that are critical to the foundations of our nation, and he is right. For those who wish to attack his personal shortcomings I say, address your own shortcomings before you attack others. If Mr. Gingrich's statement is wrong attack the position and not the man. Point out what is wrong with the statement. Too often, both parties have resorted to personal attacks rather than handling the debate on the merits of the positions themselves.

God Bless America, one nation Under God!

New GOP Platform

I fully disagree with Gingrich. In order for the republican party to re-establish itself and appeal to the independent voting base, it needs to rid itself of what the party doesn't stand for and more on what it does stand for. The way to victory in 2012 is to back off on our social principles and accept the individual right to free choice, speech and religion. Doing so will inevitably pick up a large number of supporters who do not see themselves currently aligned with the religious tones of the party.

We have a SECULAR heritage

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches." - Ben Franklin

GOP = Party of Irrelevance

The GOP has been so out of touch with mainstream America for so long, and the religious right has such a strangle-hold on the party, I'm starting to seriously doubt that the party can ever make a comeback. Whether the GOP realizes it or not, America is a multi-cultural, multi-faith, plural and non-secular country. As long as the GOP continues to try and force everyone into a narrow, backward, unrealistic and extremely simplistic view of political and civic life...they will continue to be the party of irrelevancy.

religious rhetoric

I am so sick and tired of conservatives claiming to be the voice of Christianity in the United States. Lets forget about the fact that this country was built on the backs of many different cultures and religious beliefs. Lets forget that several of our most prominent American founders, people who wrote the Constitution for instance, did every thing they could to separate religion and government. Lets forget that the majority of people came to this new land to escape religious persecution. Are the Conservatives saying that this country is a Christian democracy and what does that even mean? Most Christians in this country are far to the left of Conservatives but are afraid to disagree with them because they will be demonized or labeled un-American or worse. We've already seen what happens when a President actually believes he's talking to God.

politics/religion

Good Lord, people... mixing religion with politics will be the end of the republican party, and maybe the Republic itself. I am a lifeling republican who cannot stand the new holier than now Christianization of our once relevent party. Let's get back to running the country, and leave a persons "morals and values", much less their religious preference, up to individuals. To vet a candidate for his Christian belief, which is happenning on so many levels, is tawdry and un-american, and invites corruption from the charlatans who'll say anything to get their hands on power. I'd rather a man be an atheist than a gasbag like Hagee, or Hinn, or Haggard, or Roberts, or Falwell, or... well, the list could go on and on.

No need.

Our "religious heritage" isn't in danger & by pandering to bible thumpers Newt is making the usual GOP mistake of alienating moderates & independents. You know, the people that elect politicians. The GOP truly is in danger of becoming irrelevent. Jeez.

Absolutely Right!

Newt is 100% right in what he says. Our country can't be blessed of God when we let so many speak for us by getting rid of our religious rights that our country was established upon.

About the people who a previous person thought were hypocrites because of their past failures or sins, you are unaware of the power of forgiveness.

Usually a person who has failed, gotten forgiveness and changed their ways, is in better shape to understand mercy. Most of the Bible heros had something in their past, but when they turned to God, He forgave them and gave them a place in history helping others. I realize that some people fake it, but you can only fake it so far and they eventually are revealed. I wouldn't discount the real because of the few fakes that show up. The ones that are real are the ones that will last.

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Dan Gilgoff covers religion for U.S. News & World Report. He is the author of The Jesus Machine: How James Dobson, Focus on the Family, and Evangelical America are Winning the Culture War, and is a former politics editor at beliefnet. E-mail Dan at godandcountry@usnews.com.

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